Every week there's another trillion-dollar AI announcement. Data centers, energy grids,
digital twins of the planet. But all of it has to be physically built — with materials,
supply chains, and electricity that were already breaking before AI showed up.
Josh Dorfman co-founded Planted with two former SpaceX engineers to make carbon-negative
building panels out of grass, and just landed a 10-million-panel contract with the largest
home builder in America. Before that, he ran Vine.com inside Amazon. Now he runs Supercool,
a media platform tracking which climate technologies are actually scaling and which are
well-funded slide decks.
This conversation goes into the gap between what AI promises and what physical infrastructure
can actually deliver — and ends somewhere neither of us expected.
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CHAPTERS
00:00 The question nobody wants to answer
02:30 Why data centers are a materials problem, not just an energy problem
05:00 "AI is the enabler of cheap renewable energy" (the optimistic case)
08:30 The Lords of AI and the gap between slide decks and market
11:30 BrainBox, Natrix, and what AI is actually doing in climate right now
18:00 Planted: how you make a building panel out of grass
22:00 The carbon math — what "carbon negative" actually means
27:00 The SpaceX playbook (and a $140 pickle-barrel mixer)
31:30 Why silos killed projects at Amazon
42:00 The Trove rule: "Nobody talks about climate"
48:00 Is AI's buildout ultimately good or bad for the climate?
51:00 How to tell real climate tech from vaporware
54:30 Where Steve pushes back: the case against more data centers
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ABOUT JOSH DORFMAN
Josh is co-founder of Planted and host of Supercool. Find him at [supercool link] and
[planted link].
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