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  • Author Shon Meckfessel - Observations, Insights & Politics from Seattle's CHAZ Autonomous Zone

    For insights on Seattle's CHAZ autonomous zone we spoke with Author and Seattle local - Shon Meckfessel. Shon, a professor at Highline College, is the author of the 2016 book: Nonviolence Ain't What It Used To Be: Unarmed Insurrection and the Rhetoric of Resistance 

    We discuss the timeline of CHAZ,  how the zone both rejects and dialogues with local Seattle politics, his thoughts on the methods and mutual aid present in the zone, and how the Zone fits into the constellation of uprisings after the police murder of George Floyd. 

    For more conversations like this, check out the Arts of Travel Podcast or asiaarttours.com 


    Music by LitKidBeats: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRBRA3ZZ1cM

    49 min
  • Harsh Mander - On India's Protests, Violence against Muslims & The Poor, and Radical Love

    I spoke w. organizer Harsh Mander on his efforts to help India's poor and Muslim communities, who have endured unspeakable violence from Narendra Modi's government. We discuss Covid-19 impact on India's migrant workforce, the violence India's Muslims have faced, and how despite this hatred and the state targeting him with prosecution for his organizing, Harsh maintains a philosophy of 'radical love' . 

    Other topics include:  Anarchism vs. Social Democracy, leaders, and how the Black Lives Matter protests are being viewed within India. 


    For more with Harsh, simply search the internet, he's all over!

    • I like his essays with The Scroll: https://scroll.in/author/1580 
    • You can learn more about his charity work with Karwan e Mohabbat : https://karwanemohabbat.in/ 
    • and for more about how the state is targeting him with prosecution, you can read more here: https://thewire.in/video/interview-karan-thapar-harsh-mander


    • Music by Kiyoto:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSJJ5Vy7jE4


      1 hr 10 min
    • Writer Cassie Da Costa - Race, Gender & Celebrity in an Unequal World

      Recorded before the brutal police murder of George Floyd, this is a conversation I had with Writer Cassie Da Costa about what celebrity means in a United States where Race, Gender and Capitalism are deeply intertwined.  We discuss figures like Gal Gadot, Jay-Z, The Kardashians, Lebron James, Beyonce, Cardi B, Ru Paul,  Jameela Jamil, and others. 

      Should we admire celebrities for succeeding despite racial oppression, or do they distract us from dismantling the oppressive systems  of whiteness, sexism and capitalism?  What does Beauty mean in a world where bodies have always been commodified as products?  Can celebrities be 'role models' in a deeply unequal world, where ones role is to be the exploiter (capitalist) or exploitee (laborer)? 

       We discuss all this and more in a radically honest conversation. For more Cassie's work can be seen in the Daily Beast,  The New Yorker, The New Yorker (Videos), the film journal Another Gaze, and elsewhere. Her Website Can be found here: http://cassiedacosta.com/

      Editor's note: I misname a murder victim of police violence as Michael Walker. The victim of police violence was Tamir Rice: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/tamir-rice-s-mother-sad-lebron-james-hasn-t-spoken-n492196

      Music by Urban Nerd Beats: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4R-E42EucEameNwahTShtg

      1 hr 6 min
    • Vicky Osterweil on US Left Media: How Riots expose the Distance between The People and the Pundits

      Prior to the brutal Police murder of George Floyd,  I spoke w. writer Vicky Osterweil ( Read her essay: In Defense of Looting ) to discuss why the US Left Media (at least those with money or fame) are so bad at centering the voices of those in struggle both overseas (in places like Hong Kong, India, West Papua or Xinjiang) and domestically (the complete erasure of the Black Lives Matter Movement). 

      Vicky discusses some of the structural failures in a US Left Media populated with figures from the Ivy Leagues or The Rich. Why they gravitate towards a leftism based on 'leaders', voting, and trying to make sure they remain the loudest voices in the room, rather than letting the people in struggle speak.  And how they can do better, how we all need to do better. How 'normal' was the problem to begin with. 

      At least for me, this was the conversation that let me 'wake up' and leave US Left Media behind. As Vicky discusses,  when real revolutions appear, these same voices who could write hundreds of columns on Sanders, Unions or AOC, have nothing to say and offer the people out in the streets of Hong Kong, Lebanon, Bangkok, Chile, Algeria, West Papua, Syria and now the Twin Cities, Louisville, Chicago, and across the USA, fighting for a better,  more just future. 

      We already released half of the conversation, here  https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/crisis-collapse-chat-w-vicky-osterweil-on-death-neoliberal/id1406775458?i=1000468974708 For more from Vicky you can find her on Twitter: @Vicky_ACAB

      Her writing in Real Life: https://reallifemag.com/contributors/vicky-osterweil

      And the essay that spawned our interview can be found here, it's one of my favorite 'takes' on the brutal violence of neoliberalism: https://thenewinquiry.com/liberalism-is-dead/

      Vicky's Book 'In Defense of Looting' based on her New Inquiry essay will be out soon in 2020.  Solidarity to George Floyd, Black Lives Matter, ACAB.  

      1st Beats by Nxnja: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guS-evJwgg8

      2nd Beats by Syndrome: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rpnv_pi97yY


      45 min
    • Writer Yi-Ling Liu on Blued: How the World's Largest LGBTQ App was built in China & the Limits of Tolerance in the PRC

      I was fortunate to speak with writer Yi-Ling Liu on her outstanding piece in New York Times Magazine on Blued: How a Dating App Helped a Generation of Chinese Come Out of the Closet

      Our conversation touches on several issues

      • - The truly remarkable story of Blued's Founder Geng Le
      • - The wax and wane with which LBGTQ rights and acceptance have occurred in China under the PRC
      • - The 'pink yuan' and Neoliberal Queerness in China
      • - And what does a LGBTQ role in society look like if activism or organizing is forbidden.
      • For those looking to understand a bit more about LGBTQ culture in China, Yi-Ling was kind enough to recommend the following: 

        Lan Yu: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lan_Yu_(film)

        Addicted: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Addicted_(web_series)

        And (Her words now) I'd add the Shanghai Pride Parade as well, which I think is a pretty important event for LGBT communities and NGOs in China, the recent phenomena of LGBT cruises, organized by PFLAG, China, and a TMall advertisement this year, depicting a same-sex couple returning home durin the Chinese New Year, which stirred up a lot of hubbub on Weibo.


        For more of Yi-Ling's Writing you can head to her webiste here: https://www.yi-lingliu.com/

        Music by Zeeky Beats

        Episode Art from Yi-Ling's NYTIMES Magazine Piece. 

        1 hr 11 min
      • Writer & Researcher Mita: On Anarchism, Mutual Aid & What the Western Left could Learn from Indonesia (Conclusion)

        We were thrilled to speak with Writer and Researcher Aria Danaparamita or Mita (Twitter: @mitatweets) , for a two part conversation on Indonesia, Covid-19 and Political Economy.

        In part 2 of our conversation, we discuss the ways Anarchists, Socialists and ordinary people are coming together to help one another, after being abandoned by capitalists and the state. Mutual Aid, Direct Action and other progressive tactics are being used in powerful ways in Indonesia, its my hope we can learn from their struggles, and build links of solidarity.

        In this spirit of solidarity, here are a list of organizations who are doing great work in Mutual Aid in Indonesia (these were all graciously provided by Mita):

        Just to share some of the mutual aid initiatives, there are these threads that summarize some of the local initiatives (there are so many!):

        • https://twitter.com/DamarJuniarto/status/1245137166549700608
        • https://twitter.com/maderodog/status/1241271552097710080
        • I'd also like to highlight these 2 in particular:

          • For incarcerated women in Jakarta: https://twitter.com/LBHAPIK/status/1247076888918425604

            • For transwomen in Jakarta: https://twitter.com/aruspelangi/status/1243874699949441025

            • As I mentioned, most of these are donation drives, rather than a more structured/sustained project. Some of the more organised ones that are focused on food/goods production and distribution are:


              • Konsorsium Pembaruan Agraria (Consortium for Agrarian Reform): connecting farmer unions in Pasundan, Ciamis and Pangandaran to communities in their network, anyone can also buy the rice and staples through KPA https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=share&v=ROv-XRiJOeQ / http://kpa.or.id/menu/lumbung/?lang=en

                • Jaringan Rakyat Miskin Kota (Urban Poor Consortium): connecting farmers in Kendeng with urban poor communities in their network (non-farmers can support by donating to subsidize the goods) https://twitter.com/gugunmuhammad1/status/1249583895076429824 / http://www.urbanpoor.or.id/

                  • Perbawani: coordinating Rumah Solidaritas Kemanusiaan Warga Jakarta (RSKWJ) and Federasi Buruh Lintas Pabrik (FBLP) to make masks and distribute them communities in Jakarta and Cirebon. FBLP is a union mostly of garment workers in north Jakarta, many of whom have been laid off since the outbreak and have turned to making these masks. People can support by donating for raw materials. https://www.instagram.com/p/B-lZrLrAigL/

                  • These last ones are more organized and politically explicit (ie. engaged in restructuring production and distribution) and they have also been at it with similar mutual aid projects prior to covid and will (hopefully!) continue.

                    Music by Prod Riddiman- Alien: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93OIOt7N-J0

                    41 min
                  • Writer and Researcher Mita: On Indonesia , Covid-19 & The Hidden Violence of the Status Quo (part 1)
                    We were thrilled to speak with Writer and Researcher Aria Danaparamita or Mita (Twitter: @mitatweets) , for a two part conversation on Indonesia, Covid-19 and Political Economy.
                    In part one of our conversation we look at Indonesia through the increasingly irrelevant lens of liberalism. Covering Indonesian Leader Jokowi, The current politics of Indonesia, how Covid-19 has caused crisis or has simply revealed the hidden violence of Capital and the State.
                    The state is failing, Capitalists are using this crisis to line their own pockets. Only we can save each other. To that end, here are a list of organizations who are doing great work in Mutual Aid in Indonesia (these were all graciously provided by Mita):
                    Just to share some of the mutual aid initiatives, there are these threads that summarize some of the local initiatives (there are so many!):
                    • https://twitter.com/DamarJuniarto/status/1245137166549700608
                    • https://twitter.com/maderodog/status/1241271552097710080
                    I'd also like to highlight these 2 in particular:
                    • For incarcerated women in Jakarta: https://twitter.com/LBHAPIK/status/1247076888918425604
                    • For transwomen in Jakarta: https://twitter.com/aruspelangi/status/1243874699949441025
                    As I mentioned, most of these are donation drives, rather than a more structured/sustained project. Some of the more organised ones that are focused on food/goods production and distribution are:
                    • Konsorsium Pembaruan Agraria (Consortium for Agrarian Reform): connecting farmer unions in Pasundan, Ciamis and Pangandaran to communities in their network, anyone can also buy the rice and staples through KPA https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=share&v=ROv-XRiJOeQ / http://kpa.or.id/menu/lumbung/?lang=en
                    • Jaringan Rakyat Miskin Kota (Urban Poor Consortium): connecting farmers in Kendeng with urban poor communities in their network (non-farmers can support by donating to subsidize the goods) https://twitter.com/gugunmuhammad1/status/1249583895076429824 / http://www.urbanpoor.or.id/
                    • Perbawani: coordinating Rumah Solidaritas Kemanusiaan Warga Jakarta (RSKWJ) and Federasi Buruh Lintas Pabrik (FBLP) to make masks and distribute them communities in Jakarta and Cirebon. FBLP is a union mostly of garment workers in north Jakarta, many of whom have been laid off since the outbreak and have turned to making these masks. People can support by donating for raw materials. https://www.instagram.com/p/B-lZrLrAigL/
                    These last ones are more organized and politically explicit (ie. engaged in restructuring production and distribution) and they have also been at it with similar mutual aid projects prior to covid and will (hopefully!) continue.
                    Music by Prod Riddiman- Radio : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNcuXo-2N5s
                    48 min
                  • Minicast w. Washington Post's Regine Cabato on Press Freedom in the Philippines
                    This is a "Mini-cast" w. the Washington Post's Regine Cabato on Press Freedom in the Philippines and her thoughts on what its like to do journalism in the country.
                    We discuss the state's targeting of Maria Ressa, Troll Farms and how it feels to be a journalist in the Philippines.
                    For more of Regine's work please check out her Twitter at @RegineCabato or her page at the Washington Post: https://www.washingtonpost.com/people/regine-cabato/
                    Beat by PLXR: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rruZoAfOi4c
                    20 min
                  • Regine Cabato of the Washington Post on The Philippines, Covid-19 and Global Labor
                    To understand how Covid-19 is impacting the Philippines, we were joined by Regine Cabato of the Washington Post.
                    Our conversation centers on the domestic impact Covid-19 has had on the Philippines and the at times brutal response of Leader Rodrigo Duterte.
                    We also discuss how the Philippines, which is deeply integrated into global immigration and migrant labor, is a reflection on Capitalism. Is a 'return to normal' a solution? Or was 'normal' the problem to begin with?
                    For more of Regine's work please check out her Twitter at @RegineCabato or her page at the Washington Post: https://www.washingtonpost.com/people/regine-cabato/
                    Beat by zp3nd : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPNemFiYpr0
                    1 hr 18 min
                  • Haeryun Kang on the Nth Room Scandal, Digital Harassment and Sexual Violence in South Korea (Content Warning)
                    CONTENT WARNING - The content within this episode is graphic, refers to assault and may be triggering to some listeners. Listener discretion is advised
                    We spoke w. Journalist Haeryun Kang on the Telegram 'Nth Room' Scandal and a contemporary history of the misogyny, digital violence and real-life harassment that South Korean Women have endured.
                    For as brilliant as South Korea has been in handling Covid-19, it deserves scrutiny and criticism for the violence and harassment of women that the government has left unaddressed for years. From ridiculous double standards, to an epidemic of spy-camera pornography, to absurd rulings in sexual assault cases... South Korea has left fester a toxic misogyny that's culminated in perhaps the most disturbing scandal in the history of the Internet in Korea: The Nth Room
                    We discuss all this and potential ways forward. I can't thank Haeryun enough for her candor and strength in discussing these matters.
                    For more of Haeryun's journalism please follow her on Twitter at - @Haekoko and check out her work at VideocusIN: videocus.in/
                    Summary of Sexual Assault Laws in South Korea - hrw.org/news/2020/03/26/south-korea-online-sexual-abuse-case-illustrates-gaps-government-response
                    South Korea's blatantly patriarchal Sex Education programs in schools - theguardian.com/world/2018/dec/28/south-koreas-sexist-sex-education
                    Strong Writing on the Nth Room Scandal can be found at Quartz -
                    qz.com/1824130/korea-shocked-by-telegram-chat-room-sexual-abuse-scandal/
                    Good Interview in English w. TEAM FLAME, the student journalists who broke the Nth Room Story -
                    https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/article/article.aspx?aid=3075527
                    Finally for Haeryun's doc on the Nth Room you can find it here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSYsI0lM1wQ&t
                    Beat by Prod. b e l a m i - HOPE
                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-i2NT6Ghq8
                    58 min

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