Australian law is far from perfect.

Not only can it be unjust, it’s sometimes simply no longer fit to do what it was intended to.

The person responsible for maintaining our federal laws is the attorney-general. And, since the last election, that’s Mark Dreyfus.

Today, national correspondent for The Saturday Paper Mike Seccombe – on Mark Dreyfus, what drives him, and why he says Australia’s treatment of refugees has been “deliberately cruel”.

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Guest: National correspondent for The Saturday Paper Mike Seccombe.

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