Summary
A chance encounter at a pizza place led me on a journey to understand why it made me so happy. Through conversations with three childhood friends - Tony, Marc, and Andy - I discover something profound about how authentic relationships actually form. This isn’t just nostalgia; it’s an investigation into what made these friendships different and why they’ve lasted over 30 years.
The answer challenges everything we think we know about building trust and community: these relationships weren’t formed through careful trust-building, but through accidental vulnerability - being goofy and open before they knew it was dangerous.
Timestamps
(00:00) - Pizza Encounter
(02:17) - Sharing Stories of Non-Betrayal
(05:20) - More Stories of Kids Being Kids
(07:57) - Musical Insights
(10:23) - Writing Songs Naked
(11:55) - Accidental Vulnerability
(13:50) - What does Community Mean Now? Andy
(15:39) - What does Community Mean Now? Marc
(16:53) - What does Community Mean Now? Tony
(18:32) - The Magic of Getting Lost in Chicago
(20:18) - Thank Yous and End Matters
Key Themes
Accidental Vulnerability: How being vulnerable before knowing it’s risky can create deeper trust than calculated relationship-building
Childhood Innocence: The advantage of acting without self-consciousness and how “being dumb enough to not know you couldn’t” enables authentic connection
Safety and Trust: Why absolute trust (“no backstabbing to worry about”) was the foundation that allowed for complete vulnerability
Kids Being Kids: How physical playfulness, shared silliness, and creative collaboration build lasting bonds
Community Creation: The difference between consuming community versus participating in creating it
Memorable Quotes
“I was never gonna betray anyone. I felt like I knew that about all you guys too.” - Marc
“We acted goofy because we did not yet know that was dangerous.” - Eric
“The reason I can play music is because I was like dumb enough to not know I couldn’t… That’s part of the advantage of being young.” - Marc
“Self-consciousness kicked in at some point, right? It turns on at some point in your life.” - Marc
“It’s like flipping a switch… there’s people I see all the time, it’s still awkward. Yeah. And there’s people I see all the time. It’s still awkward.” - Tony
Stories Featured
• The Restaurant Encounter: A chance meeting that triggered decades-old memories
• The Charlie Horse Ritual: Daily “attacks” that became bonding instead of bullying
• Three Amigos in the Hallway: Singing movie songs while people stared, not caring about social judgment
• The Newsies Secret: Sharing vulnerable experiences (liking musicals as teenage boys)
• They Might Be Giants Concert: Getting lost in Chicago and finding the universe singing their experience back to them
Reflection Questions
• What relationships in your life were formed through accidental vulnerability rather than calculated trust-building?
• When did you first become self-conscious? What did you lose when that happened?
• How do you create safe spaces for others to be authentically themselves?
• What would it look like to be “dumb enough” to try something vulnerable today?
• Who are the people you can “flip a switch” with, even after years apart?
Resources & References
• The Three Amigos (1986) - The movie that became a bonding ritual
• Stand By Me - Referenced as similar to their childhood adventures
• They Might Be Giants - The band whose concert provided a transcendent moment
Call to Action
Think about the communities you’re part of. Are you consuming them or participating in creating them? This week, try one act of accidental vulnerability - do something goofy, genuine, or slightly risky in the service of connection.
About The Better
This podcast explores what it means to experience “the better” - true rest, community, and purpose - in our daily lives. Through personal stories and conversations, we investigate how authentic connection actually works and what it takes to build communities where everyone can thrive.
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