You can be gifted… and still completely out of alignment.

In this powerful conversation, Pastor Benny Perez and Pastor Jeff T. Osborne break down a hard truth most people don’t want to hear: talent doesn’t equal readiness.

Many people rush into purpose, platform, and opportunity—but skip the very thing that sustains it: process.

You’ll also hear a powerful analogy about being a bullet and not the gun, and why timing, positioning, and alignment determine your impact.

If you’ve been feeling stuck, overlooked, or confused about your next step, this message will challenge and realign your perspective!

About Jeff T. Osborne:

Jeff T. Osborne is a transformational leader, identity coach, author, and speaker whose life reflects resilience and redemption. Once facing prison, homelessness, and deep identity struggles, his journey became a powerful testimony of discovering purpose through transformation.

Today, he helps individuals, CEOs, and leaders around the world break limitations, uncover their true identity, and step into alignment in both life and leadership.

With over 15 years of experience, he has coached globally and spoken to diverse audiences, guiding people to grow from the inside out and live with clarity, confidence, and purpose.

At his core, he is a husband, father, and leader committed to helping others live a life that is loud, large, and loved.

Culture is loud—but truth is eternal.

In this powerful conversation, Tim Timberlake and Benny Perez dive deep into why this generation is rejecting fake Christianity and craving truth—even when it hurts.

They unpack:

- Why mislabeling Jesus limits your life

- The difference between Jesus as Teacher vs Lord

- Why truth must confront, not just comfort

- The danger of chasing acceptance over God’s approval

How culture is attacking the foundation of faith

This isn’t just a conversation, it’s a wake-up call.

About Pastor Tim TImberlake:

Tim Timberlake serves as the Senior Pastor of Celebration Church. He’s a graduate of the Pistis School of Ministry in Detroit, Michigan. Pastor Tim is a gifted communicator and teacher who has the ability to communicate to people from all walks of life. His sense of humor, combined with his in-depth Bible teaching, gives the listener and reader the tools to transform their lives from the inside out. He takes pleasure in the small things, is an avid sports fan, and a popular thought leader.

Pastor Tim lives in Jacksonville, FL with his wife Jen and son Maxwell. The Timberlake’s feel most alive when they are pouring back into others, and they seek to glorify God through their lives and family.

God is speaking… the real question is—can you perceive Him? 👀

In this powerful episode of the Both& Podcast, Pastor Benny Perez welcomes back Pastor Dustin Bates for a deep and timely conversation on hearing the voice of God, real encounters, and living a faith that goes beyond just “me and Jesus.”

They unpack why it’s not that God is silent, but that we’re often distracted… how proximity to God changes everything… and why both private AND corporate encounters are essential for real spiritual growth. 🔥

This episode will challenge isolated faith and remind you that your gift isn’t just for you, it’s meant to impact others. From the story of Samuel to life-changing encounters, you’ll see how one moment with God can shift your entire trajectory.

If you’ve felt distant, too busy, or unsure if God is speaking, this conversation will awaken your awareness of His presence.

What does it take to carry both excellence AND the Holy Spirit — without losing your heart in the process?

In this powerful episode of the Both& Podcast, Pastor Benny sits down with Pastor Travis Greene for one of the most honest leadership conversations we’ve had yet.

They dive into the tension between structure and Spirit… but the conversation goes deeper than expected, straight into betrayal, bitterness, submission, accountability, and finishing well in ministry.

This isn’t surface-level leadership talk. This is heart surgery.

“Your heart is a house. Bitterness gives someone a room — and locks you out.”

If you are a pastor, worship leader, creative, entrepreneur, or believer navigating leadership pressure, church hurt, correction, or betrayal — this conversation will challenge and strengthen you.

Ministry flows from the heart.

Creativity flows from the heart.

Longevity flows from the heart.

Guard it.

About Pastor Travis Greene:

Travis is a Grammy-nominated gospel recording artist, pastor, husband, and father. He and his wife, Dr. Jackie Greene (author, dentist, and mentor), co-pastor Forward City Church in Columbia, South Carolina. Through music and ministry, Travis is passionate about unifying the Body of Christ and exposing people to the transformative love of Jesus. When he’s not traveling or leading, he’s spending time with his wife and their three boys, Jace, Josh, and Judah.

In this powerful episode of the Both& Podcast, Pastor Benny Perez and Pastor Ken Claytor confront some of the most pressing cultural conversations through a Kingdom lens.

- Forgiving racism and reverse racism

- Refusing victim and entitlement mentalities

- Why promotion comes from the Lord

- Raising children with kingdom identity

- Work ethic, integrity, and biblical diligence

- Why your pastor is not your puppet

- Speaking with boldness without losing love

- Revival, awakening, and what God is doing right now

We don’t wrestle against flesh and blood. The real battle is spiritual.

This episode will challenge your mindset and provoke deeper thought about how believers should live in a divided culture.

About Pastor Ken Claytor: 

Ken Claytor has a heart to bring people of all backgrounds together to experience the power and love of Jesus. For over 18 years, he has shared the gospel globally while breaking barriers and redefining diversity in the local church.

He and his wife Tabatha lead Alive Church — a multi-generational, multi-ethnic church with campuses in Gainesville and Orlando, Florida, and online. What began with just six adults has grown into a thriving ministry reaching thousands each weekend.

Pastor Ken is also the founder of the Alive Leadership Institute, host of the Alive Conference, and a sought-after speaker. He and Tabatha have been married for 26 years and have three children.

If this conversation encouraged you, don’t forget to like, and share with someone who needs a reminder that there is power in the name of Jesus.

What happens when you believe God is real, but struggle to feel Him?

In this powerful podcast conversation, Pastor Jamie Bates of Church 1132 shares how a deep dive into Scripture transformed her faith, healed a season of doubt, and revealed the Bible as a living, layered narrative, not just a rulebook.

From feeling out of place in church culture, to wrestling with disappointment, to discovering Jesus through the story behind the story, this conversation is for thinkers, feelers, and anyone who’s ever wondered if something was wrong with them for not “feeling it” the way others do.

If you’ve ever felt disconnected, disappointed, or unsure how to approach the Word of God, this conversation will challenge and encourage you.

About Pastor Jamie Bates:

Pastor Jamie Bates is a pastor, leader, and communicator with a heart for people and a passion for seeing lives transformed by Jesus. Alongside her husband, Pastor Dustin, she pastors Church Eleven32, helping lead the church with wisdom, authenticity, and compassion.

Jamie is deeply committed to building healthy families, empowering women, and creating spaces where people can encounter God and walk in freedom. She and Dustin live in the DFW area with their two sons, Jude and Genesis.

What happens when you truly encounter the power of God?

In this powerful and deeply personal podcast episode, Pastor Benny sits down with longtime mentor and friend Tim Storey to talk about the supernatural, healing, impartation, and what it means to live out the “Jesus style” of ministry.

From firsthand encounters with God’s presence to stories of healing, bold faith, and learning how to move in the anointing, this conversation pulls back the curtain on what it looks like to walk in spiritual authority with humility, courage, and authenticity.

👤 About Tim Storey

Tim Storey is an acclaimed culture-influencing thought leader, life strategist, author, speaker, and counselor. Known for his insight and mentorship among high-profile leaders, athletes, and individuals navigating seasons of recovery and rediscovery, he has been widely recognized as The Original Comeback Coach. With decades of ministry experience, Tim carries a powerful legacy of faith, healing, and impartation, inspiring people to encounter God’s presence and step boldly into their calling.

What does it look like to live a Both& faith in a world obsessed with extremes?

In this episode of Both&, Pastor Benny Perez sits down with guest speaker Jeremy Johnson for an honest and challenging conversation about faithfulness, calling, obedience, and navigating ambition without losing your soul. Together, they unpack the tension between trusting God fully while still stewarding opportunities wisely.

This conversation speaks directly to leaders, creatives, pastors, and believers who feel the pull between what God has asked them to do now and what they hope He’ll do next. It’s a reminder that true Kingdom impact starts with obedience, not visibility.

About Pastor Jeremy:

Pastor Jeremy Johnson is the Lead Pastor of Fearless Church in downtown Los Angeles, alongside his wife Christy and their children. Known for his contagious passion and global ministry, Jeremy carries a heart for revival, seeing culture transformed through the power and love of Jesus. He is also the founder of Ammunition Conference, a gathering birthed to see dreamers rise and live fearlessly in Christ.

What happens when the presence of God leaves the church building and enters the streets?

In this powerful episode of the BOTH& Podcast, Pastor Benny Perez sits down with worship leader and street minister Ryan Horton, whose viral worship moments in subways, streets, and city centers have led to radical encounters with God.

Ryan shares unforgettable stories of worship breaking rage, fear, and spiritual oppression—including a moment in the New York subway where a man went from screaming in anger to weeping uncontrollably as the name of Jesus was lifted up.

About Ryan Horton:

Ryan Horton is a Christian worship leader and evangelist known for bringing worship and the presence of God into public spaces—especially streets and subways in major cities like New York. Through live music, prayer, and Spirit-led moments, Ryan shares the love of Jesus in everyday environments.

This episode will stir your faith and challenge you to bring God’s presence wherever you go—your workplace, your city, your daily life.

If this conversation encouraged you, don’t forget to like, and share with someone who needs a reminder that there is power in the name of Jesus.

In today’s episode of the Both& Podcast, Pastor Benny Perez sits down with Pastor Dustin Bates for a powerful conversation on hearing the voice of God, spiritual encounters, spiritual dehydration, and how to stay full of God’s presence in a culture that’s getting darker and drier.

About Pastor Dustin Bates:

With over two decades of experience in ministry, leadership, and business, Pastor Dustin Bates is the lead pastor of Church Eleven32, the founder of Dream Center Dallas, and hosts the leadership podcast 'Win Every Time'.

He and his wife Jamie reside in the DFW area with their two sons, Jude and Genesis.

Dustin has a passion for the local church, equipping the next generation, and seeing city transformation by meeting both spiritual and practical needs.