What happens when you literally die — and come back with a completely different view on business, risk, and what actually matters?

Matt Pohlson — founder and CEO of Omaze — joins Rory Sutherland and Elfried Samba to share the story behind building one of the UK’s fastest-growing businesses, and how a near-death experience changed everything.

Matt recounts flatlining for four and a half minutes, the moment his mother refused to let doctors give up, and how surviving something he “shouldn’t have” forced him to rethink both his life and his company. What followed was a radical shift — away from celebrity-driven campaigns towards a model that would eventually scale to over £400M in just five years.

This episode unpacks the power of storytelling in business, why making the customer the hero changes everything, how brands like Mr Beast win by showing tangible impact — and why Omaze has already given over £120M to charity while building a profitable company.

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What does it take to build a career that lasts three decades — and stay curious enough to keep reinventing it?

June Sarpong — broadcaster, author, entrepreneur and host of Culture Conversations — joins Rory Sutherland and Elfried Samba to talk about culture, leadership, and why visibility changes what people believe is possible.

June reflects on her journey from teenage work experience at Kiss FM to becoming one of the UK’s most recognisable media voices, sharing what she has learned about staying relevant, taking risks, and refusing to define herself by a single title.

The conversation explores how strong cultures are actually built, why leaders must live the values they promote, how representation changes ambition, and why the most important skill in business might simply be making people feel seen.

This episode unpacks why luck matters more than people admit, how great founders expand their own capacity as their companies grow, why the Kardashians might be the greatest marketers of the modern era — and why Africa has the opportunity to build entirely new systems rather than inherit old ones.

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Ellie Norman — Chief Marketing Officer at Formula E and former Chief Communications Officer at Manchester United — joins Rory Sutherland and Elfried Samba to talk about her time at Honda and Virgin Media through to Formula One and now Formula E.

Ellie explains how she walks into every room convinced she doesn't have all the answers, is always asking questions, and always learning.

The conversation explores how constraint forces creativity, why brand defensibility matters more than impression counts, and how the creator economy is rewriting the rules of sports marketing.

This episode unpacks what it really means to build fame, be easy to find, and be hard to leave — why she likes to hire people who are comfortable with uncertainty — and why common sense remains the rarest skill in any marketing department.

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Dr. Eliza Filby — historian and author — joins Rory Sutherland and Elfried Samba to examine why inheritance now matters more than income.

The conversation explores how the Bank of Mum and Dad has become a private financial system, why wages no longer deliver independence, and how access to family money shapes the risks people can take.

It looks at why Gen Z now inhabits a world where work alone no longer leads to security or progress.

This episode unpacks what happens when families quietly replace markets and the state as the real source of economic stability.

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Oscar Ryndziewicz — founder of DFYNE — joins Rory Sutherland and Elfried Samba to unpack the decisions behind one of the UK’s fastest-growing private companies.

Ryndziewicz explains how DFYNE grew from a £6,000 credit card bet into a global activewear brand, why the company chose to scale from Glasgow rather than London, and how autonomy, simple metrics and trust replaced traditional management controls as the business expanded.

Drawing directly from DFYNE’s growth journey — culminating in its recognition as the UK’s fastest-growing private company in The Sunday Times 100 — this conversation explores how location, culture and leadership design quietly shape scale.

This episode looks at what happens when founders stop optimising for appearances, focus on outcomes instead of activity, and build systems that let people think for themselves.

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Clarke Ching — author of The Bottleneck Detective — joins Rory Sutherland and Elfried Samba to unpack why progress stalls, how leaders quietly become constraints, and why fixing the obvious problem often makes things worse.

Most organisations don’t fail because of a lack of effort.
They fail because effort is applied in the wrong place.

From traffic systems and hospitals to founders, governments and scaling teams, this conversation explores how bottlenecks hide in plain sight — and why seeing them requires a different kind of thinking.

This episode is about the uncomfortable truth that growth rarely fails where people expect it to.

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Ama Amo-Agye scaled Plantmade from £100 to £13m — and discovered that success changes the rules faster than founders expect.

Ama joins Rory Sutherland and Elfried Samba to explore how the skills that drive early momentum can quietly become constraints as a business scales.

From building in public to recognising when the company had outgrown her original operating model, this episode examines why success can become the hardest thing to manage.

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Growth stalls when founders lose focus.Lottie Whyte, founder of MyoMaster, joins Rory Sutherland and Elfried Samba to unpack how simplifying the business, listening to real demand, and saying no to opportunity unlocked scale.From early trade-show insights and customer objections to near-failure and relentless focus, this conversation explores how clarity, not complexity, drives sustainable growth.

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This episode of The Bottleneck Podcast discusses the toxic nature of modern politics. Economist Nicholas Gruen joins Rory Sutherland and Elfried Samba to explain why debating now feels like a never-ending battle, where the centre ground gets drowned out by the most extreme voices and most people are trying to win arguments rather than solve problems.

They also explore why everyday communities often handle difference better than the internet does, and why GDP is a weak guide to how well a country is really doing. Education and housing, they argue, have increasingly become status bottlenecks rather than engines of shared progress, leaving us spending more without necessarily living better.

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This episode of The Bottleneck Podcast explores what it really takes to build a billion-dollar brand. Ben Francis MBE, founder and CEO of Gymshark, joins Rory Sutherland and Elfried Samba to discuss how obsessive focus, community, and self-awareness turned a side project into one of the UK’s most successful global companies.

Together they unpack the real story behind Gymshark’s rise — from sewing T-shirts at his nan’s dining table to leading a worldwide fitness brand — and reveal why staying close to the customer, thinking like a 19-year-old entrepreneur, and protecting startup energy remain at the heart of Ben’s philosophy.

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