In this episode, Erin Martin interviews Doug Zarkin, Chief Brand Officer of Modern Performance and Recovery Brands and author of 'Moving Your Brand Out of the Friend Zone.' They discuss Doug's extensive career in marketing, with a focus on brand transformation, particularly at Pearl Vision. Doug shares insights on the importance of understanding customer experience, the brand value equation, and the cultural permission needed for innovation. The conversation also touches on the dynamics of brand love and the role of AI in marketing strategies.