At least one day a week John is able to connect with Liu Yan in the same day-even though Beijing is 13 hours ahead of Chicago. So while John is up at 5 a.m. to connect on The Bridge, its 6 p.m. for Liu Yan-but this time, John's already been up since 2 a.m. spending a couple of hours not as a host, but as a guest on an overnight radio show, talking about his latest book "Phenomena." They discuss the ups and downs of the overnights, how radio has an important place for those who either work or simply listen when most of the world is sleeping. Gears shift to the ongoing challenge of the pandemic, the growing impatience that has people longing for something normal, which could lead to extending the virus even further. Finally, John & Liu Yan talk about how lucky and unlucky numbers that are revered in China, are in some cases the exact opposite in the USA.