Michael Lovitch spent more than fifty years openly ridiculing astrology and pretty much anything that couldn't be measured in a lab. He's a serial entrepreneur, a former academic hypnosis researcher, and the co-founder of the Baby Bathwater Institute. Then a single astrology reading cracked his whole worldview open, and now he runs Zodiac FM, a company that turns your birth chart into personalized sound frequencies.

In this conversation we trace the exact moment it happened, a bus ride to Red Rocks and a friend who finally called his bluff, and what it's like to build in a world you used to mock. Michael is refreshingly honest about the parts he still can't explain, including why he says he believes the weird stuff now but hasn't quite started living from it yet. If you're an entrepreneur caught in the gap between what you used to believe and what you're building next, this one's for you.

00:00 The skeptic who built an astrology company 01:40 50 years a materialist 05:40 The bus to Red Rocks: the bet that cracked everything 06:14 "Does she have my therapist notes?" 09:03 "A lot of it's probably true, and then what?" 11:00 Baby Bathwater: building the anti-mastermind 22:39 Paying Indian astrologers by the hour 25:28 A vibrational, conscious universe 29:50 Why sound (and how it differs from Brain.fm and Centerpointe) 32:24 The four frequencies: core, love, vitality, abundance 38:14 The 300-person beta test and its results 45:37 Pairing it with qigong and energy work 50:16 The crazy stories 53:17 Building in a world he used to ridicule 55:22 Charlatans: how to spot the fakes 01:01:26 Be okay with the dissonance 01:05:14 Startups are hard, even the fourth time 01:09:49 Turning the tables: Hale's own "batshit" beliefs 01:15:39 Hale's takeaways Join the Business of Expansion Community

At 22, Marcia Martin sat in a San Francisco room of 30 people when the Human Potential Movement was born. She became the first vice president of est, the training company that grew into Landmark, and the woman Werner Erhard called "the one who put est on the map." She was there for the founding of est, LifeSpring, the Hoffman Process, Tony Robbins' early years, the Transformational Leadership Council she built with Jack Canfield, and even the filming of The Secret. In this conversation she tells the real story of how the modern self-help industry was built, the good and the bad, drawn from her new memoir Sex, Power, and Transformation.

We get into how genuine breakthroughs and outright manipulation lived side by side in the same room, why movements that change lives so often curdle into something cult-like, and the warning signs Marcia learned to spot after watching the same arc play out again and again. She shares the demonstration that made her go all in, the "gift" that came with a catch, and the one simple practice she says changes everything. If you build anything with people, or you've ever wondered how good movements go bad, this one stays with you.

Chapters

00:00 Meet Marcia Martin

02:09 How the Human Potential Movement was born

04:26 Werner Erhard, Mind Dynamics, and the birth of est

11:16 When fame, power, and money corrupt a movement

14:35 Inside the training: "your levels" and the demonstration

21:56 What made est different: Scientology's influence

30:50 When community becomes hierarchy

37:51 Leading transformation without building a cult

43:46 Leaving est: the car, the gaslighting, the betrayal

47:15 After est: Hollywood, the media company, and the TLC

58:04 Marcia's new workshop and the architecture of leadership

1:06:23 Building with integrity: grow like nature, learn by doing

1:16:17 Closing wisdom: center before you act

1:19:19 Hale's takeaways

Links & Resources mentioned

• Book: Sex, Power, and Transformation by Marcia Martin

• Website: marciamartin.com

• Landmark Worldwide (the Landmark Forum, formerly est)

• Esalen Institute, co-founded by Michael Murphy

• The Silva Method, founded by José Silva

• The Hoffman Process

• Jack Canfield and the Transformational Leadership Council

• Tony Robbins

• Lynne Twist and the Pachamama Alliance

Connect

• Join the free Business of Expansion community

• Hale's Instagram

What if the gap between where you are and where you want to be isn't a strategy problem — it's a frequency problem?

That's the central question Sam Kukathas brings to this conversation, and his answer will likely challenge everything you think you know about growth, identity, and what it actually takes to collapse time between your current reality and your biggest vision.

Sam's story is one of the most unusual you'll hear on this show: from academic philosopher studying David Hume, to discovering mid-psychedelic journey that he could channel other people's energy, to building a technology platform that recalibrates human consciousness at scale. We get into the moment a voice boomed through him loud enough to shut the windows, the 13 years it took to let go of a PhD he'd outgrown, and what it looks like when a $100M belief shift happens in under an hour. This is a conversation about the intersection of inner frequency and outer results — and why the most visionary leaders still get stuck.

What We Cover

• How Sam went from academic philosopher to energy healer to creator of Resonance OS

• The psychedelic journey that cracked everything open — and the "booming voice" that led him into energy work

• What "collapsing time" actually means and how it works in practice

• The $100M belief shift: how clearing one subconscious pattern expanded a client's vision from $4.5M to $100M in a single session

• The $20M deal that came through four hours after a group wealth frequency event

• How Sam cleared a client's 25-year gut issue and business blocks simultaneously in one session

• Why visionary leaders get stuck even when they have a great strategy

• The 13-year journey of letting go of his doctorate — and the moment Buddha and Yogananda told him it was done

• Resonance OS: the vision for creating the "overview effect" in everyday human experience

• The frequency of you — and why becoming a copy of your mentor is a waste of your gifts

Connect with Sam

1) Soul Purpose Leaders

2) Resonance OS

3) Sam's instagram

4) Sam's Linkedin

Links & Resources

• Join the Business of Expansion community (free): thebusinessofexpansion.com/join

• Connect with Hale on Instagram and LinkedIn

• Subscribe and leave a review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify

In this episode, I sit down with Jennifer K. Hill — the "fairy godmother of human connection" — to explore her Golden Triangle of Connection framework and why self-connection is the foundation everything else is built on.

We dive into heart-focused breathing, the neuroscience of why it works, and how to use it as a daily reset.

Jennifer also shares her "death card year" — the sudden loss of her business partner, the collapse of a major acquisition, and the unexpected rebirth that followed — including the Jen Hill Tribe and how she's using AI to deepen human connection, not replace it.

00:00 Fairy Godmother Intro

01:09 Purpose Through Connection

03:30 Align App Gifts

05:15 Defining Consciousness

09:24 Don Hoffman Serendipity

12:57 Golden Triangle Framework

15:20 Inner Child Self Love

16:54 HeartMath Coherence Practice

29:07 Recovering Asshole Story

32:07 Rewiring Your Presence

33:27 Death Card Year Begins

36:11 Julian's Sudden Passing

37:01 Tribe Becomes Community

40:50 Mentors and Letting Go

43:17 AI and Human Connection

48:11 Is AI Conscious

51:03 The Field and Attention

56:11 Global Sadness and Self Hug

59:30 Where to Find Jen

01:01:00 Key Takeaways and Wrap

Resources mentioned in the episode:

1) Align App

2) Heartmath Institute

3) Sedona Method

4) Transcendental Meditation

5) Zodiac.fm

6) The Anti-Asshole Prayer Books:

1) The Case Against Reality

2) Pure Human

3) Secret of Secrets

4) Waste Tide

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In this episode, I sit down with Ash Moraca, founder of Retreat and co-creator of the House of Consciousness at Davos, to explore what it looks like to bring consciousness, healing, and human flourishing into spaces shaping the future of business and society.

We talk about regenerative business, conscious leadership, the tension of building in the startup world without losing your values, and why inner transformation has to be part of systems change. Ash also shares how her own healing journey informs the way she builds.

This episode is for entrepreneurs and leaders who know business can be about more than growth alone. If you're interested in consciousness, entrepreneurship, and the future we're creating, this conversation is for you.

Chapters 00:00 Consciousness Meets Davos 01:21 Why Create the House 02:30 Inside Davos Energy 04:22 Arc of the Day 06:27 What Comes Next 08:08 Synchronicities and Setup 10:38 Lessons and Collaboration 11:48 Funding Without Agenda 13:04 Healing Journey Origins 15:43 Modalities That Helped 18:19 Purpose and Calling 19:13 From Healing to Startup 21:27 Building the Retreat Platform 24:16 Blended Practices Live 25:59 Fundraising Sacred Work 27:57 Finding Human Flourishing Investors 29:37 Defining Human Flourishing 30:23 Founder Day to Day 30:37 Balancing Work and Life 31:59 Anti Hustle Guardrails 35:11 Business as Consciousness 36:49 Tuning Into Retreat Energy 41:59 Regenerative Business Design 44:23 Future Paradigms and AI 49:27 Consciousness as Trojan Horse 54:47 Where to Find Ash 56:04 Host Takeaways and Wrap LINKS: 1) Ash's personal website 2) Retreat App 3) House of Consciousness @haleschneider ✨ Want to meet like-minded conscious entrepreneurs and leaders? Join the Business of Expansion Community:

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In this episode I interview Aggelos Mouzakitis, an integrative psychotherapist and coach for high achievers and founders who blends psychotherapy with product-growth research techniques. Aggelos shares how user interviewing and psychology models drew him into formal training, why he delayed practicing after confronting life-and-death cases in a cancer hospital clinic, and how his own extreme success, bankruptcy, and identity crisis reshaped his work. We explore how high performers often seek external validation, why burnout is frequently driven by meaningless work rather than effort, and what happens psychologically when an achiever identity is threatened—denial, insecurity, impostor feelings, depressive symptoms, confusion, and anger—followed by new identity formation. Chapters: 00:00 Burnout Identity Collapse 01:17 Aggelos Origin Story 01:42 From Product Research to Therapy 05:17 Becoming Ready to Practice 09:20 Therapy Meets Coaching 13:39 Prescriptions vs Real Needs 17:01 When Success Cracks Identity 21:47 Breaking External Validation 26:57 Rebuilding a New Self 28:45 Tear It Down Temptation 29:41 Corporate to Startup Reality Check 33:05 De Risking Big Leaps 37:36 Dopamine Planning Trap 39:17 Hustle Culture and Self Worth 41:37 Meaning and Flow Clarity 45:39 His Own Identity Crisis 50:13 Burnout Hype and Vulnerability 54:50 Therapy as Performance Stack 57:33 Final Takeaways and Outro Links: 1) Aggelos' website 2) Outgrown - diagnostic workbook @haleschneider ✨ Want to meet like-minded conscious entrepreneurs and leaders? Join the Business of Expansion Community:

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On today's episode I'm joined by Jaclyn Orent, who describes becoming a "cultural catalyst" and "frequency architect" after realizing her coaching produced exponential results that didn't fit conventional results-based structures. Drawing on David Hawkins' Power vs. Force and Letting Go, she explains consciousness as the root driver of leadership, health, relationships, and business outcomes, and demonstrates Hawkins' three-step surrender process. She integrates Hawkins' work with Richard Boyatzis' intentional change theory and Benjamin Hardy's scaling frameworks to show how impossible goals and timelines can simplify decisions when they generate positive emotional attractor energy rather than depletion. 00:00 Consciousness as Bottleneck 00:58 Meet Jacqueline Orent 01:42 Cultural Catalyst Origin 04:27 Exponential Client Results 06:40 Power Versus Force 08:55 Raising Consciousness Process 10:43 Letting Go Technique 12:40 Stop Fixing Everything 16:45 Hawkins Bridge Science 18:31 Research Allies and Books 22:43 Building Cultural Catalyst System 23:05 Scaling for Cultural Change 26:23 Resonance Creates Change 29:01 Peers and Network Need 30:51 Goal Setting Contradictions 32:05 Goals That Drain Energy 32:39 Vision Before Performance 33:18 Impossible Goals Done Right 35:07 Founders Fear Letting Go 37:55 Finding the Floor Fast 40:41 Personal Floor Wedding Delay 43:34 Detachment and Commitment 47:19 Building Cultural Catalyst Network 50:46 Masterclass and EFT Tools 54:12 Identity and Resonant Peers 57:51 Fractal Change Love Over Fear 01:01:07 Final Takeaways and Wrap Links: 1) Cultural Catalyst Masterclass 2) Power vs Force 3) Science of Change 4) The Science of Scaling @haleschneider

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In this episode I sit down with Gil Petersil, a global community builder and networking expert. Gil shares his transformative insights on networking, redefining it as a spiritual practice essential for conscious leaders. The conversation explores Gil's concept of quantum networking, the importance of time awareness, and practical strategies for enhancing your networking abilities. Additionally, Gil delves into his innovative tea project, Chatea, aimed at fostering human connection through mindful tea ceremonies. 00:00 Introduction to Quantum Networking 01:25 Exploring the Concept of Belonging 04:26 Practical Tips for Building Connections 07:02 From Business to Movements 13:40 The Spiritual Side of Networking 21:25 Understanding Quantum Networking 38:15 The Power of Networking Levels Three and Four 38:48 Weekly Networking Practices and Cadence 39:52 Understanding and Meeting People's Needs 41:06 The Importance of Self-Belief in Networking 41:46 Effective Networking Strategies and Practices 44:42 The Concept of Karmic Management 47:24 The Role of Networking Angels 55:15 The Tea Project and Its Origins 01:02:41 The Vision for Tea and Networking 01:11:18 Final Thoughts and Takeaways Links: 1) Gil's Website 2) Gil's LinkedIn 3) Chatea 4) Karmic Management book @haleschneider

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In this episode I'm joined by Matthieu Bonelli, founder of Conscious Leaders Dubai, for an in-depth conversation about conscious leadership. We discuss how true leadership begins with self-awareness and the impact of the energy leaders bring into a room. Matthieu shares his journey from corporate burnout to building a conscious leadership movement in Dubai. We go into the significance of observing rather than obeying the inner saboteur, the importance of identity shifts, and various techniques such as breath work and human design that aid in personal and leadership growth. We also touch on the unique environment of Dubai and how it's both a challenge and an opportunity for fostering conscious leadership. 00:00 Introduction to Conscious Leadership 01:29 Defining a Conscious Leader 03:08 Setting the Energy in Leadership 04:23 Understanding and Challenging the Inner Saboteur 14:10 Matthew's Journey to Conscious Leadership 18:02 Building a Conscious Leadership Movement in Dubai 26:25 Program Structure and Identity Shifts 32:43 Exploring Breathwork and Its Accessibility 33:33 Finding the Right Breathwork for You 35:15 Personal Meditative Practices 36:30 Curiosity and Experimentation in Practices 36:43 Insights from a Three-Month Program 40:54 Transformative Leadership Experiences 44:04 Spirituality and Human Design 46:41 The Power of Breathwork and Free Diving 50:33 Moving from Valencia to Dubai 54:40 Brain Mapping and Conscious Leadership 01:02:11 Final Thoughts and Takeaways Episode Links: Matthieu's YouTube Channel Conscious Leaders Dubai Matthieu's LinkedIn @haleschneider

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On this episode I sit down with Kathryn Brewer, who transitioned from nearly two decades in corporate finance to a full-time career as a mystic and medium. Kathryn shares her story of burnout, a profound mystical experience, and how she embraced her new path despite societal pressures. We discuss Kathryn's spontaneous awakening, the reality of working as a full-time medium, and how she helps businesses through energetic alignment. Kathryn's journey underlines the shifts possible when one listens to deeper callings and challenges the conventional wisdom surrounding security and success. 00:00 Introduction: Kathryn Brewer's Journey 01:43 The Breaking Point: Realizing Corporate Life Wasn't Sustainable 03:49 The Woo Story: A Mystical Experience 05:24 Medical Leave and the Decision to Leave Corporate 07:21 Publishing the Book and Leaving Corporate 08:15 Embracing the Path of a Full-Time Medium 11:58 The Awakening: A Profound Spiritual Experience 19:13 Navigating Skepticism and Building Support 26:39 Living with Newfound Clarity and Purpose 35:21 Overcoming Fear and Embracing Change 38:04 Embracing Spontaneous Awakening 40:41 Navigating Corporate to Entrepreneurship 43:58 Building a Spiritual Business 47:32 Exploring Mediumship and Akashic Records 58:02 Business Frequency Alignment Insights 01:05:55 Balancing Corporate Life and Spiritual Awakening 01:11:49 The Golden Age and Money Consciousness 01:16:22 Conclusion and Key Takeaways @haleschneider

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