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November 13, 2024S15E05: Accreditation (Part 2: The International Take) Kloe and Solange give an update on their respective journeys while Liz and Phaedra talk to Bethany Jo Mikelait and Mariana Onofri about how the profession (and accreditation) works in Canada and Brazil. Also tune in for a Dear Jane about gently refusing to work on an object.
00:00:23 Solange and Kloe’s updates
00:15:29 Who are our co-hosts?00:16:32 How it works in Canada00:31:28 How it works in Brazil00:45:48 How can we be regulated BUT also inclusive?01:01:51 Dear JaneShow Notes:
– S13E02 Accreditation (Part 1): https://thecword.show/2023/04/05/s13e02-accreditation-part-1/– Canadian Association of Professional Conservators: https://capc-acrp.ca/– Bethany’s practice: https://www.theartconservatory.ca/– Follow Mariana on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/marianaonofri.restauro/– Canadian Conservation Institute: https://www.canada.ca/en/conservation-institute.html– Q&A with Indigenous lawmaker Célia Xakriabá: https://news.mongabay.com/2023/02/if-brazil-starts-with-us-why-did-we-arrive-last-qa-with-indigenous-lawmaker-celia-xakriaba/– Regulamenta Ja’s Instagram account: https://www.instagram.com/regulamentaja_cr/– News in Conservation article by Sayang Rehan: https://www.iiconservation.org/publications/nic/news-conservation-issue-102-june-july-2024– Museums Association Ethics Committee: https://www.museumsassociation.org/campaigns/ethics/committee/Support us on Patreon!
Hosted by Kloe Rumsey, Phedra Komodromou, Liz Hébert, Bethany Jo Mikelait, Mariana Onofri, and Solange Masher.
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...more October 31, 2024S15E04: Halloween Special Echoes of the past, dead objects, and creepy stores – Solange, Kloe and Jenny have a lot on their minds in this year’s spooky special! Jenny also visits a newly opened paranormal museum, Liz reviews an enchanting chapter from a sumptuous tome, and Jenny reads a book of ghost stories set in heritage locations.
00:34 Have you heard of BevArt?
04:59 What are ‘ghost signs’ exactly?16:17 Solange’s haunted attic dwelling21:19 We get philosophical about the lives of objects27:52 Spooky stores33:01 Jenny visits Rowtons’ Museum of the Paranormal and Spirituality39:59 Jenny reviews ‘Eight Ghosts’43:00 Liz reviews ‘Art as a Spell’47:01 Patreon teaser – Phedra’s mysteryShow Notes:
– BevArt: https://www.bev.art/– BevArt’s buy-back scheme: https://www.bev.art/blog/bev-art-launches-sensor-buy-back-program– Ghost signs according to Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_sign– Historic England Ghost Sign project: https://historicengland.org.uk/whats-new/features/ghost-signs/– Park Hill graffiti: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Love_You_Will_U_Marry_Me– S01E02 Human Remains: https://thecword.show/2017/03/15/s01e02-human-remains/– The Unbinding: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt27485427/– Lyrics to Puff the Magic Dragon: https://genius.com/Peter-paul-and-mary-puff-the-magic-dragon-lyrics– Rowtons’ Museum of the Paranormal and Spirituality: https://rowtonsmuseum.co.uk/– Witchcraft – The Library of Esoterica: https://www.taschen.com/en/books/esoterica/08019/witchcraft-the-library-of-esoterica/– Eight Ghosts book project via English Heritage: https://www.english-heritage.org.uk/halloween/eight-ghosts/ and https://www.english-heritageshop.org.uk/eight-ghosts-paperback– Buy the book on Amazon: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Eight-Ghosts-English-Heritage-Stories/dp/1910463736Support us on Patreon!
Hosted by Jenny Mathiasson, Kloe Rumsey, and Solange Masher.
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...more October 16, 2024S15E03: Glass Conservation What’s it like to work on glass? Jenny and Phedra are joined by emerging conservator Terri Costello as they explore this fragile but ancient material. Also tune in for Solange’s interview with artist Freya Laughton about preserving memories in glass.
01:40 Phedra’s adventures with Roman glass
04:30 All the exciting places we find it in collections11:36 Trying out glassblowing and involving expert makers19:03 Chemistry, imperfections and tools34:00 Colourful chemistry and stresses in glass41:56 Getting started in glass43:31 Interview with Freya Laughton54:44 Patreon shout-outShow Notes:
– Costello Conservation: https://costelloconservation.com/– Go follow Terri on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/t.costello.conservation/– Glass and ceramics programme at University of Amsterdam: https://www.uva.nl/shared-content/programmas/en/masters/conservation-and-restoration-of-cultural-heritage/study-programme/glass-and-ceramics/glass-and-ceramics.html– Egyptian faïence: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_faience– Glasriket: https://glasriket.se/en/– Blown Away on Netflix: https://www.netflix.com/gb/title/80215147– Allard Pierson Museum: https://allardpierson.nl/en/– Corning Museum of Glass: https://home.cmog.org/– The Glass Heart exhibition: https://twotempleplace.org/exhibitions/the-glass-heart/– A beautiful infographic about coloured glass: https://www.compoundchem.com/2015/03/03/coloured-glass/– Fractography: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fractography– The Techniques of Roman-Period Glassblowing: https://romanglassblowing.cmog.org/– Seafire Design: https://www.seafiredesign.co.uk/– Follow Freya on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/seafire_designSupport us on Patreon!
Hosted by Jenny Mathiasson, Phedra Komodromou, and Terri Costello.
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...more October 03, 2024S15E02: Condition: Lost Fess up: when did you last lose something? Liz, Phedra, Kloe and Jenny explore what ‘loss’ can mean in collections, in heritage generally, and in conservation.
00:01:10 What do we mean by lost?
00:02:13 Misplaced, disassociated, data loss00:05:59 Kloe is a fan of the hard copy00:11:53 Theft in museums00:15:37 Does loss enhance the value of art?00:17:56 The motivation behind a theft matters00:21:30 Freeports and their implications00:29:09 ‘Redistributed’ or looted heritage00:34:09 Climate change brings loss00:36:44 Custodial neglect in our personal lives00:50:14 Have you lost something during treatment?01:04:07 Support us on PatreonShow Notes:
– Dissociation as an agent of deterioration: https://www.digitwithraven.com/single-post/agents-of-deterioration-dissociation– ‘Thief at the British Museum’ podcast: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001zlz0/episodes/player– The theft of the Mona Lisa in 1911: https://www.historytoday.com/archive/months-past/mona-lisa-stolen-louvre– Cyprus receives artefacts back: https://cyprus-mail.com/2024/07/22/returned-items-reflect-struggle-to-recover-cultural-heritage/– Geneva Free Port article: https://www.thecollector.com/geneva-free-port-the-worlds-most-secretive-art-warehouse/– Acceptance In Lieu: https://www.artscouncil.org.uk/supporting-arts-museums-and-libraries/supporting-collections-and-cultural-property/acceptance-lieu– Art UK database: https://artuk.org/– Hillwood Estate, Museum & Gardens: https://hillwoodmuseum.org– S11E01 Conservation and Conflict: https://thecword.show/2022/03/23/s11e01-conservation-and-conflict/– Pontic Greeks on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontic_Greeks– Saving Ukrainian Cultural Heritage Online: https://www.sucho.org/– Kloe’s event on costume care: https://dancejoy.co.uk/– S04E07 Tools Galore: https://thecword.show/2018/12/12/s04e07-tools-galore/– S14E06 Musical Instruments: https://thecword.show/2024/05/30/s14e06-musical-instruments/Support us on Patreon!
Hosted by Jenny Mathiasson, Phedra Komodromou, Liz Hébert, and Kloe Rumsey.
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...more September 18, 2024S15E01: Icon24 Special + Summer Updates We recap our experiences at Icon24: Conservation for Change as we reflect on the conference and our first nearly-full-team meet-up! Phedra also interviews Patrick Whife from Icon about organising the event. Finally we all share our various summer adventures and plans for the autumn!
00:02:07 We went to a conference (you might’ve guessed)
00:08:11 Audio adventures from Icon2400:42:41 Phedra has a great idea (please steal it)00:44:13 Creating a better experience online00:50:32 We’d have Icon Loughborough or Icon Doncaster00:53:06 Interview with Patrick Whife01:13:16 What have Jenny, Phedra and Kloe been doing this summer?01:19:22 Solange’s summer update01:21:45 And a summer update from Liz01:23:55 Support us on PatreonShow Notes:
– Icon24 details: https://www.icon.org.uk/events/icon-2024-conference-conservation-for-change.html– Assassins Creed Odyssey: https://www.ubisoft.com/en-gb/game/assassins-creed/odyssey– Book a tour with Liz: https://www.thoseamsterdames.com/– Buy something from our shop: https://thecword.show/shop/– Send us a donation: https://www.paypal.com/paypalme/thecwordpodcastSupport us on Patreon!
Hosted by Jenny Mathiasson, Phedra Komodromou, and Kloe Rumsey.
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...more June 26, 2024S14E08: Deconstructed Road Trip Special In this year’s travel special we go on FOUR individual journeys: a sort of deconstructed road trip. Kloe goes to sunny Spain, Liz takes her bike to the Rijks Museum, Jenny darts between museums in Sweden, and finally Phedra goes on a watery adventure in Cyprus. Don’t miss the return of Cass Fino-Radin at the end of the episode, when they interview emerging conservation professionals at the recent AIC conference in Salt Lake City. Sit back and enjoy the journey!
00:00:36 What’s a deconstructed road trip exactly?
00:04:06 Kloe excitedly explores Spain00:21:44 Liz visits the Rijks Museum00:34:40 Jenny wanders around Sweden00:53:01 Phedra goes underwater in Cyprus01:10:45 Cass interviews ECPs at AICShow Notes:
– S11E08 Manx Road Trip Special: https://thecword.show/2022/06/29/s11e08-manx-road-trip-special/– Museo Arqueológico Nacional: https://www.esmadrid.com/en/tourist-information/museo-arqueologico-nacional– Fancy restaurant alert (Corral de la Morería Gastronómico): https://guide.michelin.com/gb/en/comunidad-de-madrid/madrid/restaurant/corral-de-la-moreria-gastronomico– Alcalá de Henares, Spain: https://artsandculture.google.com/story/agXhkBx8wyUD-w?hl=en– Rijks Museum: https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/en– Van Gogh Museum: https://www.vangoghmuseum.nl/en– Stedelijk Museum: https://www.stedelijk.nl/en– Operation Night Watch: https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/en/stories/operation-night-watch– Those Amsterdames tours: https://www.thoseamsterdames.com/– Carl Larsson-gården, Sundborn: https://www.carllarsson.se/en/– Dalarna in Sweden: https://www.visitdalarna.se/en– Falu Gruvmuseum: https://www.falugruva.se/en/– Mining world heritage site of Falun: https://whc.unesco.org/en/list/1027/– Christopher Polhem: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Polhem– Polhem B&B: https://polhembedandbreakfast.se/en/– VRAK Museum of Wrecks: https://www.vrak.se/en/– Paphos, Cyprus: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paphos– Tomb of the Kings: https://www.visitcyprus.com/index.php/en/discovercyprus/culture/sites-monuments/253-tombs-of-the-kings– MUSAN Museum of Underwater Sculpture Ayia Napa: https://musan.com.cy/– Jason deCaires Taylor: https://underwatersculpture.com/– Phedra’s diving instructor: https://www.instagram.com/marishaa_cy– S13E07 Time-Based Media Conservation: https://thecword.show/2023/06/15/s13e07-time-based-media-conservation/– Art and Obsolescence podcast: https://www.artandobsolescence.com/– AIC 52nd Annual Meeting (Salt Lake City 2024): https://www.culturalheritage.org/events/annual-meeting/past-meetings/52nd-annual-meeting-in-salt-lake-city-(2024)Support us on Patreon!
Hosted by Jenny Mathiasson and Kloe Rumsey.
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...more June 13, 2024S14E07: New Museums Kloe and Phedra are joined by Jill Carruthers in an episode all about newer, fresh-faced museums. What’s it like opening a brand NEW museum? Phedra talks to Matt Turtle from the Museum of Homelessness AND Eleni Loizides from the Cyprus Archaeological Museum, while Solange sits down to chat with James Hogg from the Yorkshire Natural History Museum. Also tune in for a review of ‘Conservation Skills for the 21st Century’ from Jenny!
00:01:20 What’s a new museum?
00:12:34 How Showtown came to be00:31:56 Making a museum yours00:37:24 Redefining museums00:42:05 Is less more?00:49:54 Reminder!00:51:19 Interview with Matt Turtle01:04:09 Interview with James Hogg01:17:10 Interview with Eleni Loizides01:26:11 Review of ‘Conservation Skills for the 21st Century’Show Notes:
– Showtown: https://www.showtownblackpool.co.uk/– Grand Egyptian Museum influencer video Phedra mentioned: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nwZkVldpvI– Quiz mentioned by Jill: https://www.mhminsight.com/culture-segments/survey/– Join us on Patreon: http://www.patreon.com/thecword– Get your tickets for Icon24: https://www.icon.org.uk/events/icon-2024-conference-conservation-for-change.html– Museum of Homelessness: https://museumofhomelessness.org/– Neo Jurassica: https://neojurassica.org/– Yorkshire Natural History Museum: https://ynhm.org/– Cyprus Archaeological Museum teaser videos made by the architect: https://youtu.be/iJrI4tOUDmQ and https://youtu.be/Vc8HjbVdmsI– Conservation Skills for the 21st Century: https://www.routledge.com/Conservation-Skills-for-the-21st-Century-Judgement-Method-and-Decision-Making/Caple-Williams/p/book/9780367443320Support us on Patreon!
Hosted by Kloe Rumsey, Phedra Komodromou and Jill Carruthers.
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...more May 30, 2024S14E06: Musical Instruments Liz and Phedra are joined by Jonathan Santa Maria Bouquet as they talk about the conservation of musical instruments: from tuning and treatment considerations to ethics and philosophy. Also tune in (pun somewhat intended) for an interview from Solange with Emma Hardy, violin maker and repairer. There’s even some lovely music at the end!
00:22 More announcements!
02:26 Origin story07:01 The perils and pleasures of working in a fishbowl09:38 Tuning and a crash course in ‘temperament’17:10 Working with musicians19:29 To play or not to play?23:04 Seeing the history of an instrument27:55 Treatment considerations and the need for balance31:07 A place for copies and reconstructions37:17 Patreon appeal37:42 Interview with Emma Hardy and music from Rosie Butler HallShow Notes:
– Nominate someone for the Marsh Conservation Awards 2024: https://www.icon.org.uk/impact/the-marsh-conservation-awards.html– Join us at Icon24 in July: https://www.icon.org.uk/events/icon-2024-conference-conservation-for-change.html– Get in touch with Jonathan: https://www.ed.ac.uk/profile/jonathan-smb– St Cecilia’s Hall Concert Room and Music Museum: https://www.stcecilias.ed.ac.uk/– More about the St Cecilia collection: https://collections.ed.ac.uk/mimed/– ICOM International Committee of Museums and Collections of Instruments and Music (CIMCIM): https://cimcim.mini.icom.museum/– St Cecilia’s Hall sound library: https://digital.eca.ed.ac.uk/soundlibraries/– Hardy Violins in Sheffield: https://hardyviolins.co.uk/More resources:
– To play or not to play: http://www.vam.ac.uk/content/journals/conservation-journal/issue-15/to-play-or-not-to-play-the-ethics-of-musical-instrument-conservation/– Focus on historic musical instruments: https://www.akbild.ac.at/en/institutes/conservation-restoration/study-focus/objects-focus-on-wood-historic-musical-instruments– Italian degree in musical instrument conservation: https://restauro.cdl.unipv.it/it– On the conservation of musical instruments (CIMCIM): https://cimcim.mini.icom.museum/conservation-of-musical-instruments/– Preservation Perspectives blog: https://libraryblogs.is.ed.ac.uk/conservation/Support us on Patreon!
Hosted by Liz Hébert, Phedra Komodromou and Jonathan Santa Maria Bouquet.
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...more May 15, 2024S14E05: Using AI Jenny, Solange and Phedra are joined by Luisa Casella as we talk about AI: how can conservators use these tools and what are their pros and cons? Luisa tells us about CRAIG, a large language model for conservators, while Jenny frets about the climate impact. Also tune in for a review of a recent lecture on AI usage from Solange and Phedra!
01:35 What do we mean by AI?
04:11 Building a LLM for conservators13:33 Climate impact and ethical concerns20:28 Sophisticated users needed24:13 Future impact on conservation35:25 Best AI uses we’ve seen37:46 How is CRAIG different from ChatGPT?39:42 Teaser: Interview with Robert Erdmann40:18 Review of Dr Nicholas Eastaugh’s recent AI lecture47:34 Patreon appealShow Notes:
– S01E09 Museum Pi: https://thecword.show/2017/06/21/s01e09-museum-pi/– S06E03 The One with the Arduino: https://thecword.show/2019/10/16/s06e03-the-one-with-the-arduino/– Follow Luisa and her conservation tips here: https://linktr.ee/conservation_tips– CRAIG: https://chatgpt.com/g/g-P8SfTCDEO-craig-conservation-restoration-ai-generative-tool– ChatGPT by OpenAI: https://chatgpt.com/– BBC article on Sarah Silverman that Jenny mentioned: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-66164228– AIC conservation wiki: https://www.conservation-wiki.com/wiki/Main_Page– AI and the Climate Crisis (lecture recording): https://goldsmiths.cloud.panopto.eu/Panopto/Pages/Viewer.aspx?id=609824f6-5e69-4241-9bd4-b13a00d3d05b– AI’s Growing Carbon Footprint: https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2023/06/09/ais-growing-carbon-footprint/– More on energy usage of AI: https://www.washington.edu/news/2023/07/27/how-much-energy-does-chatgpt-use/– BBC article on AI reading ancient burnt scrolls: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-68221243– Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwHBfYsHR0UBAiA_VhMeOIw– Paintings Group lecture mentioned: https://www.icon.org.uk/events/paintings-group-art-authorship-and-ai-for-good-or-ill.htmlOther AI resources:
– Luisa’s Substack article on AI: https://conservationtips.substack.com/p/ai-in-art-conservation– Heritage Fund briefing on AI: https://www.heritagefund.org.uk/about/insight/research/artificial-intelligence-digital-heritage-leadership-briefing– Museums Association on AI: https://www.museumsassociation.org/category/ai/Support us on Patreon!
Hosted by Solange Masher, Jenny Mathiasson, Phedra Komodromou and Luisa Casella.
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...more May 01, 2024S14E04: Working with Heritage Scientists Jenny and Liz talk to Dr Marysia Tarnowska about their journey into heritage science from a background in chemistry: from molecular bonds to leather deterioration! Jenny also talks to Dr Josep Grau-Bove from the Icon Heritage Science Group about how we can communicate better as both conservators and scientists. Finally, tune in for a review of ‘Soft Paint and the Care of Paintings’ from Liz!
00:01:10 From chemistry to museum adventures
00:07:35 A project is born00:14:53 Scientific papers are an endurance sport00:17:23 Ways into heritage science00:19:08 Communicating with conservators00:24:02 Reaching scientists early on00:34:28 Museums doing research00:40:53 Getting involved with scientists00:43:42 University is where it’s at00:47:13 Don’t forget about the Marsh Awards00:48:00 Patreon shout-out00:48:37 Interview with Dr Josep Grau-Bove01:03:11 Review: Soft Paint and the Care of PaintingsShow Notes:
– Find Marysia on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marysia-tarnowska/– Follow Marysia on Twitter: https://twitter.com/supra_marysia– Blog entry by Lucia Burgio at the V&A: https://www.vam.ac.uk/blog/caring-for-our-collections/a-week-in-the-life-of-a-va-heritage-scientist-intro– Red rot (Wikipedia): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_rot– Museum of Leathercraft: https://museumofleathercraft.org/– Leather Conservation Centre: https://leatherconservation.org/– Institute for Creative Leather Technologies: https://www.northampton.ac.uk/research/research-institutes-and-centres/institute-for-creative-leather-technologies/– S09E06 Leather: https://thecword.show/2021/06/02/s09e06-leather/– ICPMS: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inductively_coupled_plasma_mass_spectrometry– /r/ArtConservation: https://www.reddit.com/r/ArtConservation/– Icon Heritage Science Group: https://www.icon.org.uk/groups-and-networks/heritage-science.html– European Research Infrastructure for Heritage Science (E-RIHS): https://www.e-rihs.eu/– MoLab: https://www.iperionhs.eu/molab/– AHRC (Arts and Humanities Research Council): https://www.ukri.org/councils/ahrc/– Research at Amgueddfa Cymru: https://museum.wales/research/– Cultural Heritage Agency of the Netherlands: https://english.cultureelerfgoed.nl/– Marsh Conservation Awards 2024: https://www.icon.org.uk/impact/the-marsh-conservation-awards.html– Dr Josep Grau-Bove at UCL: https://profiles.ucl.ac.uk/33855-josep-graubove– UCL Institute for Sustainable Heritage: https://www.ucl.ac.uk/bartlett/heritage/ucl-institute-sustainable-heritage– Dr Katherine Curran at UCL: https://profiles.ucl.ac.uk/34356-katherine-curran/– Soft Paint and the Care of Paintings book: https://archetype.co.uk/our-titles/soft-paint-and-the-care-of-paintings/?id=450Previous ‘Working With’ episodes:
– S07E04 Working With Techs: https://thecword.show/2020/05/27/s07e04-working-with-techs/– S09E01 Working With Front of House: https://thecword.show/2021/03/24/s09e01-working-with-front-of-house/– S10E02 Working With Curators: https://thecword.show/2021/09/29/s10e02-working-with-curators/– S11E03 Working With Learning: https://thecword.show/2022/04/20/s11e03-working-with-learning/– S13E04 Working With Adult Learning: https://thecword.show/2023/05/03/s13e04-working-with-adult-learning/Support us on Patreon!
Hosted by Liz Hébert, Jenny Mathiasson, and Dr Marysia Tarnowska.
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