The Caution Stalling Podcast

Ray, a proud and devoted father, sits down to share the journey of raising two wrestlers — and the life lessons that came with it. He opens up about the challenges of supporting each of his sons differently, while still giving both the same unwavering foundation of love, structure, and belief. Through the highs and lows, Ray reflects on what it truly means to walk the path of “Dad.”

Ray learned early that he couldn’t treat both boys the same. Wrestling helped him understand that each son is his own individual, with his own personality, mindset, and way of approaching adversity. Through both wrestling and MMA, Ray watched his sons express themselves uniquely, using their own styles and identities to grow into the young men they are destined to be. From the front row, he witnessed their evolution — fueled by exposure, creativity, and the confidence to be themselves.

Ray also shares what it was like watching Saoul and Nat’aani Prado use their talents in completely different ways. The process wasn’t always easy, but his philosophy remained steady: support them fully, let them “sink or swim” on their own merits, and trust that they would rise. Even with the weight of not wanting to let his boys down, he always believed in their ability to accomplish whatever they set their hearts on.

While the Prado Brothers became the first brother state champions in SLAM history, Ray knows their greatest accomplishment isn’t found on a podium — it’s in the men they are becoming.

The Prado Brothers — Saoul and Nat’aani — join the Caution Stalling Podcast together, stepping into the studio as the tight-knit unit they’ve always been. In this episode, they talk about their bond as brothers, their shared love for wrestling, and the different paths the sport is carving for each of them. Though their styles and mindsets overlap in many ways, they are two very different competitors with two very different journeys.

Saoul, now in his senior year at Baker University, is chasing the dream of becoming an All-American. His journey hasn’t always been smooth, but every challenge has shaped him into the man and athlete he is today. With one season left, he’s pushing harder than ever to reach that AA podium.

Nat’aani had a slower start to his wrestling career, but he has found his own rhythm and identity on the mat. Inspired by his older brother yet determined to be his own person, Nat’aani captured a state title and now wrestles alongside Saoul at Baker. His focus: continue growing, continue learning, and become the best version of himself.

The Prado Brothers have faced their share of battles — both on and off the mat. But instead of breaking under adversity, they’ve turned every setback into a lesson. No matter what challenges come their way, one thing remains constant: they’ll always have home within each other.

Oliver is a young man who wandered into a wrestling room hoping to build skills for MMA — but instead, he fell in love with the sport itself. Drawn to combat sports and searching for the right fit, wrestling lit a spark in him. What began as training for the octagon quickly became a passion of its own.

Though only a two-year wrestler, Oliver has fully committed himself to the pursuit of greatness. He trains year-round with his club, pushes himself through extra workouts to sharpen his cardio and mindset, and uses every spare moment to get better. And when he’s not grinding in the room, Oliver unwinds as a gamer — balancing intensity with something that keeps him grounded.

In this episode, Oliver shares his goals, his aspirations, and the roadmap he’s building to reach them. He talks about chasing new levels, embracing the hard work, and relying on his never-say-die attitude and blue-collar mentality.

Oliver is one of a kind — driven, humble, and incredibly easy to root for.

Billy Sullivan is one of Nevada’s true wrestling phenoms. His résumé speaks for itself: Fargo Champion, World Team Trials Champion, 5th at the World Championships, multi-time All-American, Fargo Outstanding Wrestler, and of course, Nevada State Champion. Billy stands among the very best to ever come out of the Silver State — and this is his story.

Billy opens up about a pivotal turning point in his journey: leaving home to train under Coach Pack. He walks us through what daily life looked like — three practices a day, a strict training system, and a culture built for greatness. Yet even in that grind, he still had space to be a kid and enjoy life. The Sullivan family credits Coach Pack with transforming Billy from a blood-round wrestler into an elite competitor. His time there was the spark that ignited the monster we now see on the mat.

In this episode, Billy takes us deeper into his wrestling path. Through Bonus Points and honest storytelling, he breaks down key moments, lessons, and growth. He also shares the lighter side of life — playing handball in the W-CAP room, grinding Apex and Call of Duty at home, and even competing as a dedicated Kendama player. The competitiveness doesn’t turn off. It just shifts forms.

While Billy has earned everything on the mat, what makes him special is how relatable he remains to the kids who look up to him. He works hard, he enjoys life, and he represents Team USA in Greco with pride — proving that greatness doesn’t require giving up who you are.

Harrison Smith is a young man who found himself in the only circle that truly matters — the wrestling circle. Competitive soccer was his world until he stepped onto the mat and discovered the passion that would redefine his life. His journey is compelling, thoughtful, and absolutely worth the listen. In this episode, Harrison sits down with Daniel and walks us through the story of how he became the Fargo National Champion he is today.

Harrison is committed to becoming the best athlete possible. He trains year-round in club and with his high school coach, and even when he’s “on vacation,” he’s not really on vacation. During his annual trips to Japan, Harrison still finds mats to train on, soaking up technique and discipline from Japanese wrestlers.

His dedication is paying off. Harrison is one of the few Nevada Fargo Champions, earning his title in Greco with a massive throw and a statement-making pin. He’s also a state champion, and his list of accolades continues to grow as he enters his junior season.

But Harrison’s excellence goes far beyond wrestling. He’s an equally strong student and an exceptional young man. With his academics solid and his discipline unmatched, he’s opening doors to countless opportunities. Harrison credits his success to a strong support system — his parents, his sister, and his coaches — who continue to fuel his drive.

Rigo, a 106-pound warrior and true lifer in the wrestling room, reflects on his four years on the mat. Wrestling was never part of his plan — in fact, he only stepped into the sport because his P.E. teacher encouraged him to try out. That simple moment changed everything, leading us to meet one of Eldorado’s most battle-tested wrestlers.

Across his career, Rigo built an impressive résumé:

• 4× State Qualifier
• 4× Regional Placer
• 1× Regional Champion
• 2× Regional Finalist
• 2× State Placer (3rd as a freshman, 3rd as a junior)
• 100+ career wins

His sophomore year took a tough turn when a false impetigo claim cost him his chance to compete at state.

During his senior year, life hit even harder. A death in the family forced Rigo away from the mat, and the fear of failure started to creep in. For a moment, he walked away from wrestling entirely. But eventually, he found his way back home — to the Eldorado wrestling room — and rediscovered his purpose: to finish what he started.

Rigo credits wrestling for shaping who he is today and giving him lifelong friendships. His story isn’t the fairytale of chasing a state title — because most athletes never reach that top step. Instead, his journey is about resilience, consistency, and becoming a cornerstone of a program. He embraced being one of the faces of the room, pushing others to commit, work hard, and believe.

Rigo returned, finished strong, and cemented himself as one of the most decorated wrestlers in one of Las Vegas’ most iconic high school programs.

Bill, an Illinois native, walks us through his journey of relocating to Las Vegas and becoming a driving force in the growth of wrestling across Nevada. From elevating the international wrestling scene to igniting momentum in women’s wrestling, Bill has played a major role in shaping the sport’s evolution here.

He opened Legends of Gold Las Vegas, inspired by the training center his son once attended. L.O.G. was built during the pandemic to give wrestlers a safe place to train, stay focused, and stay out of trouble. Since then, Bill has developed a powerhouse of Olympic–style wrestling, producing multiple world team members and elite athletes.

Bill also made his mark in the high school arena, building a dynasty in pink — the SLAM girls program. Under his leadership, they earned multiple state champions, team state titles, national rankings, individually ranked athletes, and a long list of girls continuing their careers in college.

To Bill, the mat is home. He has coached both USA men’s and women’s teams, and now he has reached his highest honor yet: becoming the head coach of an entire country’s national team. Alongside this, he continues to learn, grow, and evolve — driven in part by the remarkable career of his son Billy.

Bill remains committed to providing opportunities for every athlete seeking the sport, continuing his mission through Legends of Gold Las Vegas, where wrestlers of all levels find direction, discipline, and a path forward.

Skyler Woods was a time-bomb on the mat during his wrestling days — and not much has changed now that he’s in the coach’s corner. His passion runs deep, and that same fire now fuels the athletes who wrestle for him.

Well-accomplished and highly respected in Nevada’s wrestling scene, Skyler’s story began with a twist of fate — being too small for basketball opened the door to the wrestling room. Once he stepped inside, the Woods family found their calling. Since then, their bloodline has become synonymous with success: state champions, a Fargo champion, All-Americans, a women’s state champion, and college wrestlers — even Division I athletes. Truly, a Nevada wrestling family.

In this episode, Skyler opens up about his journey — from his very first match against the host Daniel’s older brother, Ricardo, to competing for the University of Oregon, and ultimately returning home to lead the Virgin Valley High School wrestling program. Now, Skyler has transformed his passion from the mat into mentorship, guiding young athletes across every sport he touches. His story is one of fire, faith, and full-circle purpose.

Dylan kicks off the podcast by sharing his early experiences in motocross — racing dirt bikes for miles on end, through every kind of weather, from a young age. His childhood was filled with sports, each shaping his athletic foundation, but football and wrestling stood out most.

Even as a kid, Dylan dreamed of being a multi-collegiate athlete — a goal he ultimately achieved at Arizona Christian University. Though wrestling has always been his first love, the thrill and adrenaline of football remain a passion he can’t quite shake.

With impressive accomplishments in both sports, Dylan has truly found a way to live out his dream — balancing his two greatest athletic loves and proving that dedication can make even the wildest goals possible.

David Mackey — a dad first and foremost — only stepped onto the mat for one reason: his kids. His coaching journey began simply as a way to help out during practices, using his strengths to support the team. But his natural organization skills and drive to lead quickly took shape. A self-proclaimed control freak, Coach Mackey found his place — thriving in the Robin role to Batman.

When his son Jaxen entered high school, a need arose. The program at Basic High School needed a coach, and Jaxen needed his father to step up. Though he’d only been an assistant coach and had mainly worked with the girls, Coach Mackey took on the challenge. Under his leadership, Basic’s wrestling program grew into a successful and respected team.

Now, having stepped away from the high school spotlight, Coach Mackey continues to contribute behind the scenes — exactly where he shines most. Being Batman isn’t for everyone, and that’s okay — because Robin is just as important.