The Celebrant Talk Show

The Celebrant Talk Show

By Josh Withers and Sarah AirdBusinessEntrepreneurship
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The Celebrant Talk Show episodes

  • The one about the wedding porn

    We chat about the importance of exchanging value and not simply expecting things for free, we give a rundown of what we've written about for the Celebrant Institute over the past month, and we talk a bit about Vic BDM's new online system (spoiler alert, it's coming "soon").

    00:04.14 Consolidating photos, systems and using Dropbox.

    00:11:45 Expecting something for nothing, and why its not OK. Value those that assist you with their intellectual property, and how.
    00:32:35 The Celebrant Institute progress, what's on there currently.
    00:41:16 The what, when and how of Social media as a celebrant.
    00:48:49 What's coming up on The Celebrant Institute, and a call out for questions.
    00:52:50 Victoria BDM update.
    00:55:24 Electronic lodgement in Queensland BDM is coming.
    00:56:18 Why you must still get three documents signed.

    1 hr 1 min
  • We don't think you're smart enough to get two emails in the one day

    We recorded this episode on 6 July 2018, before Sarah had a chance to read the fact sheet from the AGD about the change in the one month's notice period, so we don't discuss that in the episode. Sarah will write more about that change soon; suffice to say she's fighting it because she believes it's a mis-interpretation of the Acts Interpretation Act.

    In this episode we launch The Celebrant Institute: what it is, why we're doing it, and why we hope you'll support us!

    As always, please check in at [email protected] if you have any questions or anything you'd like us to talk about in future episodes!

    00:01:08 Josh and Sarah catch up on each others news

    00:04:00 Shout out to Annie Moz and the Unholy Matrimony launch
    00:05:18 Why terminology is important, and why what we say matters
    00:10:18 How does a new Celebrant get their first clients, and should they offer a discount to get those first bookings?
    00:22:54 Is it worth listing on aggregate sites such as Easy Weddings, PolkaDot bride, Celebrante etc
    00:25:40 Why you must track where your enquiries come from
    00:28:40 If you have a question please email us
    00:28:59 BDM online systems updates, what's new and what we need to know
    00:46:2 Electronic signatures, the guidelines, and the electronic transactions act
    00:49:36 New guidelines were published on Tuesday 3rd July 2018
    00:52:46 The Celebrant Institute launch!

    1 hr 8 min
  • I've watched celebrants read a newspaper

    Sarah & Josh, chat about Sarah's experience performing Eurydice Dixon's funeral; Paperwork only, legals only, registry style weddings and the legalities surrounding them; Copyright for marriage celebrants.

    1.30 Advice and tips for anyone using a microphone

    3.00 Sarah talks about her experience of conducting Eurydice Dixon’s funeral
    14.10 Josh discusses IGTV
    29.58 Sarah & Josh discuss Legal’s only/Registry Style/Paperwork only weddings and what makes them legal.
    54.33 Copyright for Marriage celebrants
    60.00  Discussions around exhibiting at wedding expos

    1 hr 29 min
  • A tribute to the greatest episode in the world

    Sarah & Josh spend most of this episode talking about some major changes in the legalities of how we do our work:- changes to the gender and sex questions on the NOIM through an updated Compulsory OPD booklet- the new Marriage Regulations 2017- the new Draft Guidelines on the Marriage Act.

    1.20  Is there such a thing as wedding season


    3.00 – Sarah and Josh’s ramblings

    6.29 Josh & Sarah discusses Pa systems

    14.19 Wedding industry conference

    15.30 Josh’s enquiry process

    22.20 Josh & Sarah discuss their marketing process

    26.45 Changes to the legislation

    31.15 Changes to the code of practice

    37.40 The New Guidelines

    53.00  Changes to the sex and gender item on marriage documents.

    58 min
  • "Gay weddings" are not a thing, they're just "weddings"

    As the introduction on the title address says gay-weddings are NOT a thing they are just weddings!!

    This podcast features Josh and Tara Baker who is one of the brains behind Dancing With Her a publication for LGBTQ+ women in love.

    Together Josh and Tara discuss a range of topics that people within the LGBTQ+ community face on a daily basis and how the language we use is vitally important when connecting to couples. The need to be authentic in what we share, do we use the correct language on our paperwork, no longer using the Bride & Groom tag etc are all parts of the whole.

    With the legalisation of same-sex marriages in Australia on the 9th December in 2017, weddings among the L.G.B.T.Q + the community have been on the rise.  So, when as a guest or vendor you find yourself working or witnessing their vows, it might be helpful to know-how you say something could offend the couple you so dearly love as you celebrate with them. Labelling same-sex couples as different from any other wedding is the root of the cause. The qualifier to describe the wedding signals that it’s unlike a wedding of a heterosexual couple. It feels exclusive. BUT it is a legal marriage like any between a man and a woman. A same-sex couple and a straight couple both say the required vows and sign the same marriage paperwork to be recognised as legally wed. So why has it taken time to get the language briefly and clearly expressed?

    In this exclusive interview, Tara and Josh discuss the subtle differences of meaning, expression, or sound when engaging with couples. No matter how couples identify it is up to us to ask the question, how do you present yourselves?… what pronouns would you like me to use? Don’t just assume. This session also discusses the language used when addressing guests, the need to be inclusive to all.

    The burning issues that came out of this podcast:

    1:05: Begin by honest conversation, not assumptions. Taking responsibility on how to make a  spouse feel with conversation/language

    4:00: Acronyms
    6:20: Gay weddings "it's just a term"
    7:35: People as a whole, not just colour culture or sex
    10:05: Genders/defunct idea?/scientific explanations. What pronouns do we use? *transgender *non-binary *no gender"
    18:15: Relationships within marriage. What should we name our clientele, language to be used in ceremonies, celebrant paperwork-do you need to reword?
    25:00: An open discussion on promoting business to the L.G.B.T.Q+ community. Remove Bride + Groom from advertising...don't make assumptions... be inclusive, equality is the sentiment.
    31:35: If using a styled shoot be authentic and open, everybody doesn't want to be a poster-person.
    33:40: Before December 2017
    36:18: Life experience 2018, challenging for a time

    43 min
  • We're not so desperate anymore

    Delivered with love and setting the tone for what was is to follow in this Podcast. Immersing their audience in a story is something both Josh and Sarah do because a well-told presentation will stick in their audience's brain for years to come!

    2:17: Victorian/Melbourne Death Scene. How's life in the funeral industry? why celebrants must diversify their roles within the industry, not just rely on one form of industry work. Figures from Springvale Botanical Cemetery show the drop-in funerals for February and March. With no apparent reason, the bottom fell out of this market. there is a reoccurring issue. and you can bet that the same time the following year it was reversed. We need to think about the way we market death! Weddings have changed “enormously” in the past decade, and for the better, with people taking greater ownership not only of their ceremonies but also their marriages. Civil celebrants, for example, have overseen the majority of weddings in Australia since 1999. Similar “exciting developments” have been slower to show in the funeral industry. Now we see families looking for a celebrant who fits in with who they are. However, many are at the whim of a Funeral Director. Which says to us, don't just rely on this form of recommendation. to produce a sustainable business!

    7:40: Custom design coffins: https://expressioncoffins.com.au - Josh talks to a Graphic artist on the work that she is doing within the funeral industry, designing beautiful wraps for standard coffins. These wraps are designed with the deceased in mind. Their personality certainly shines through.
    10:00: Templates of forms. Official Certificate of Marriage and DONLIM template - the lovely Peter Willington was good enough to design some writeable PDF templates for the OCM and DONLIM, and the use of Adobe Acrobat versus Adobe Reader.
    12:00: Technology, love it or hate it! Facebook information that we all should know about.
    23:00: How to tackle a second wedding. When already legally married how you approach the conversation with couples as to why you can't have a second "marriage ceremony." The legal implications for celebrants, the nuances of this situation and the ramifications of your actions. Legal issues - wedding days = Marriage Act and consequences explained.
    35:00: Marriage equality. NOIM descriptor was not clear, Sarah has since updated information that has been clearer in this podcast. Descriptor question is a tricky one, and we talk about how Sarah's advice in an earlier episode wasn't strictly on point.
    45:40: Cancellations verses refunds.

    1 hr 5 min
  • It's the Mabo of the thing

    We know it’s been a while, but welcome back to The Celebrant Talk Show!  In this episode we’re responding to questions from you, our lovely listeners. Feel free to send us your questions by email to [email protected], or even record yourself asking us your question and send us the audio file!

    1 hr 22 min
  • Imagine that you're on a date with Facebook
    It's January - the traditional enquiries season for the wedding industry. Sarah and Josh reveal what their business focus is at the start of each year, and discuss in detail their process for dealing with an initial enquiry.
    Times and topics
    01.50 Marriage equality - following up from the last podcast, it's now one month after the changes to the legislation
    05.40 New question on the NOIM: Q1 Description of party
    10.15 Difference between 'partner' and 'spouse'
    10.33 New question on the NOIM: Q4 Sex
    13.37 Enquiries season (January) is here
    16.19 Some wedding DJ love
    17.04 The January Process - marketing, directories, expos; it is (or can be) a crazy time in the industry
    18.05 Sarah does a major expo each January. Why expos can be good for your soul as well as your business
    25.10 Josh discusses his marketing focus in January
    30.04 Josh's content sharing; blog vs socials. Episode title explained!
    37.22 Facebook's metric (measurement of success) is how many people CAU - Care About Us - Josh is aiming for similar - mattering to people.
    43.25 Process! Methods & systems to avoid double-booking, especially in busy enquiries season
    50.25 How Sarah deals with enquiries
    53.42 How Josh deals with enquiries
    Show Links
    Sarah's CRM is Tave
    Josh's notification service is Pushover
    Josh's emailing system (since retired and replaced by Dubsado) is HelpScout
    Josh adds video to email (since retired and replaced by Bonjoro) using BombBomb
    1 hr 6 min
  • Sarah answers all of Josh's stupid questions about marriage equality and what it means for marriage celebrants

    Marriage equality has come to Australia! Finally! And it came in like a wrecking ball, changing everything for marriage celebrants whilst also delivering equality, love, and compassion to a large part of our population. There's so many questions to be asked about marriage equality and what it means for celebrants, so we hope you enjoy this episode - Josh is sorry for his terrible audio quality, it was recorded in a Brisbane co-working space which was noisey and echoey, sorry!

    Is Australian society now doomed? Is my marriage now less valid?

    This episode answers so many crucially dumb questions, you can’t afford to miss it.  (Even if it is just for the giggle).

    4.47: The biggest change after Marriage Equality – 7th December 2017

    5.25: Previously only 3 categories of Celebrants.
    A – Religious officiants of a recognised Religion.
    B – State and Territory Officers (registry weddings),
    C – Commonwealth Registered Marriage Celebrants.
    6.47: The added 4th category after Marriage equality, D – Religious Marriage Celebrants
    7.70: Jedi Warriors
    8.10: What are Religious Marriage Celebrants?
    9.26: Can new celebrants become a Religious Marriage Celebrant?
    9.57: What if I have a moral objection to same sex marriages, but I’m not religious?  (If that is a thing)?
    12.25: When did Marriage Equality become legislation?
    17.26: The first same sex marriage in Australia.
    20.56: Shortening of Time chat
    22.25: Civil Union information
    24.15: What if you were married overseas before legislation changed?  Is that now recognised in Australia?
    26.35: Do I need to get divorced if I was married overseas but it wasn’t recognised in Australia at the time?
    28.20: Can I use old NOIM’s that refer to parties as Bride & Groom?
    32.26: Where can I download a NOIM?
    34.33: NOIM info – Party 1 and Party 2 on the NOIM – which person do I put first?
    34.50: NOIM info – Description of Party – What descriptor do I use?
    37.00: NOIM info – Sex (Should be Gender) – Male, Female or X?
    42.00: Official Certificate of Marriage
    47.50: Form 15 – Canprint   marriage.infoservices.com.au
    50.44: Can we still use the words Bride/Groom/Husband/Wife in our script?
    51.33: What does one month mean? 30 days? Or 28?  Or……????
    52.40: Monitum – how has this changed since Marriage Equality?
    53.45: Legally binding vows
    55.14: Why does it say spouse in the vows but partner on the NOIM?
    56.34: What do you say for the pronouncement?  I now pronounce you?
    59.00: Saying “I do”
    62.39: Celebrant Suite – Ron Byron and Ivan Conway

    1 hr 8 min
  • Top ten tips for new celebrants
    On this special episode, Josh dials in from California to chat with Sarah about their Top Ten Tips for new Celebrants, as requested by Emily. But there are some tips in here for all celebrants, new or not!
    • Network, network, network - with anyone in the marriage industry
    • Find a buddy/mentor
    • Read the Guidelines to the Marriage Act cover to cover, and look at them regularly when you have a question
    • Watch lots of ceremonies to find out different ways of doing things
    • Learn how to business
    • Figure out your differentiator, your point of difference
    • Earn your fee ... aka don't just google other fees, but figure out how to charge what it costs you etc, and there's the sliding scale of learner to expert
    • Learn from other industries - business-wise - and ceremony wise
    • Attend OPD in person! (not distance)
    • PA system/tech gear
    • A bonus 11th tip is an ad, for Freshbooks - because honestly, the biggest tip you could get is to get on top of your money. Get on top of invoicing, getting paid, tracking expenses. But Freshbooks don't sponsor us anymore, so feel free to choose any accounting software.Times and topics
    01.46 Tip 1 - Network, network, network. Sarah's all about going to every wedding-related event she can. Josh agrees - it's about building relationships, not only with other celebrants but with people and suppliers from all across the industry. It's not just about getting work, but about making our work lives more fun
    08.24 Tip 2 - Find a buddy/mentor that you can bounce things off, and ask for help
    09.48 Tip 3 - Read the (current) Guidelines to the Marriage Act cover to cover, and look at them regularly when you have a question. The Guidelines will answer 95% of any questions you may have. Even Sarah, who knows the Guidelines really really well, still goes back and checks the Guidelines
    12.47 Tip 4 - Watch lots of ceremonies to find out different ways of doing things
    16.45 Tip 5 - Learn 'how to business'. Understand your business accounts, how people want to pay for things, contracts. Know where & how to get advice and specialist help when you need it
    20.00 Tip 6 - Figure out your differentiator, your point of difference. What are you good at/not good at? Your brand should reflect this, and explain how this matters to people getting married
    27.10 Tip 7 - Earn your fee, aka don't just google other fees, but figure out how to charge what it costs you etc, and there's the sliding scale of learner to expert
    34.59 Tip 8 - Learn from other industries - business-wise and ceremony-wise. Learn voice tips from other public speakers and even podcast hosts
    39.44 Tip 9 - Attend OPD in person! (not distance) Josh has done both and it's way easier to attend in person; also it's good to meet other celebrants and learn from them
    41.02 Tip 10 - PA System / tech gear. Know your gear and learn how to use it properly. Make sure everyone can hear you!
    46.07 Bonus Tip 11 - Get on top of your accounts. Freshbooks accounting software can help with invoices and clients can pay directly from the invoice you send them
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    49 min

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A regular talk show on being a marriage celebrant, the Australian marriage laws around celebrancy, and the art of running a celebrant business, hosted by the editors of the Celebrant Institute, Josh…