The CERN Sparks! Podcast

“Major advances, even in a crisis, are made in the years and decades before the crisis (...) these are not miracles that happen by chance.”  - Jeremy Farrar

We have all felt the impact of the pandemic in 2020 and 2021 - but we have not felt it equally. In this episode, the last of this series, host Bruno Giussani dives into the ecosystems around scientific innovation, looking at the way different forms of collaboration, legal frameworks, and the respective roles of public institutions, private companies and philanthropy in enabling (or not) technological advances. Joining Bruno are the director of the Wellcome Trust, Jeremy Farrar, reflecting on the role of philanthropic organisations as well as the necessity of long-term investment in science, discovery and education; Soumya Swaminathan, chief scientist at the WHO, talking about the role the WHO plays on the international stage and the struggles for equity in treatment - and the WHO’s first mRNA technology transfer hub in Africa; Els Torreele, biomedical scientist and researcher in equitable public health policy, diving deep into the effects of patent-driven and commercially-funded medical research; and Ben Perry, medicinal chemist involved in drug discovery, commenting on the complexities of molecule control.

Guests: Els Torreele, Ben Perry, Jeremy Farrar, Soumya Swaminathan

Host: Bruno Giussani

Production

CERN, Geneva: Claudia Marcelloni, Lila Mabiala, Sofia Hurst

Whistledown Productions, London: Will Yates and Sandra Kanthal

Copyright: CERN, 2022

“There’s no such thing as too many scientists” - Ben Perry

Join host Bruno Giussani as he delves into the rationale and practice of large scale scientific collaborations. In this episode Ben Perry, medicinal chemist with DNDI (Drugs for Neglected Diseases Initiative) talks about the nature and successes of open science. Rolf Apweiler, co-director of the European Bioinformatics Institute that collects, analyses and distributes data to the worldwide scientific community, explains the challenges researchers face in accessing the data they need and the way EBI seeks to streamline the process. The Wellcome Trust’s director Jeremy Farrar discusses the interconnectedness of the world and how frameworks for international collaboration are essential for the future especially in areas where the scientific and the political overlap. And Charlotte Warakaulle, director for International Relations at CERN, describes the “CERN model” and elaborates on its scientific and technological contributions to health.

Guests: Ben Perry, Rolf Apweiler, Jeremy Farrar, Charlotte Warakaulle

Host: Bruno Giussani

Production

CERN, Geneva: Claudia Marcelloni, Lila Mabiala, Sofia Hurst

Whistledown Productions, London: Will Yates and Sandra Kanthal

Copyright: CERN, 2022

“We are so taken in by technology that we forget that technology is a tool that should be used with an outcome in mind.” - Soumya Swaminathan

In this episode, host Bruno Giussani and his guests wade through the quagmire of healthtech ethics and fairness, exploring topics such as how the notions of right and wrong are changed by technology, data ownership and privacy, mind-manipulation technologies and the marvels of machine-learning systems which often are black boxes that not even the specialists understand. In conversation with Bruno are Soumya Swaminathan, chief scientist of the WHO; George Church, the founding father of genomics; Pushmeet Kohli from DeepMind; technoethicist and entrepreneur Juan Enriquez; neuroscientist Olaf Blanke of the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology; and Nobel laureate Jennifer Doudna.

Guests: Soumya Swaminathan, George Church, Pushmeet Kohli, Juan Enriquez, Olaf Blanke, Jennifer Doudna

Host: Bruno Giussani

Production

CERN, Geneva: Claudia Marcelloni, Lila Mabiala, Sofia Hurst

Whistledown Productions, London: Will Yates and Sandra Kanthal

Copyright: CERN, 2022

“We finally have a way of making an organism resistant to all viruses.” - George Church

Gene editing, complete virus resistance, longer healthspans, reversing ageing - these are no longer concepts consigned to the pages of science fiction, but real research that host Bruno Giussani explores in this episode. Jennifer Doudna, who shared the 2020 Nobel Prize in Chemistry for her foundational work on the gene-editing technology CRISPR, talks about the first 10 years of CRISPR and the possibilities created by its combination with artificial intelligence. George Church, considered the founding father of genomics, shares some of his latest research that could lead to making us resistant to all pathogenic viruses and expand our healthspan. Abasi Ene-Obong, CEO of startup 54Gene in Nigeria, describes his work to make sure African genetic data become better represented in the field.

Guests: Jennifer Doudna, George Church, Abasi Ene-Obong

Host: Bruno Giussani

Production

CERN, Geneva: Claudia Marcelloni, Lila Mabiala, Sofia Hurst

Whistledown Productions, London: Will Yates and Sandra Kanthal

Copyright: CERN, 2022

“I think the way we do medicine these days is broken.” - Michael Snyder

In this second episode, join host Bruno Giussani as he examines the specific tools powering the biological revolution. He is joined by Michael Snyder, geneticist and founder of the Snyder Lab at Stanford University, to talk about wearable technologies; by Pushmeet Kohli, AI for Science Lead at Deepmind (a subsidiary of Alphabet) to understand AlphaFold, the machine learning system capable of predicting the structure of nearly all proteins known to science, and its impacts; and Ben Perry, medicinal chemist at the Drugs for Neglected Diseases Initiative (DNDI) to talk about AlphaFold’s benefits for drug development.

Guests: Michael Snyder, Pushmeet Kohli, Ben Perry

Host: Bruno Giussani

Production

CERN, Geneva: Claudia Marcelloni, Lila Mabiala, Sofia Hurst

Whistledown Productions, London: Will Yates and Sandra Kanthal

Copyright: CERN, 2022

From the use of the data captured by wearable devices to the relationship between doctors and patients in an AI world, in our first episode host Bruno Giussani explores visions of future health. Jane Metcalfe, founder of Neo.Life (and, three decades ago, co-founder of Wired magazine) elaborates on the coming neo-biological revolution and the human immunome; Soumya Swaminathan, chief scientist of the World Health Organisation and head of its science division, reflects on which innovations will have the biggest impacts on global health and; Eric Topol, founder and director of the Scripps Research Translational Institute and author of “Deep Medicine”, explains how artificial intelligence can make healthcare human again. 

Guests: Jane Metcalfe, Soumya Swaminathan, Eric Topol

Host: Bruno Giussani

Production

CERN, Geneva: Claudia Marcelloni, Lila Mabiala, Sofia Hurst

Whistledown Productions, London: Will Yates and Sandra Kanthal

Copyright: CERN, 2022

The second season of the CERN Sparks! podcast: 6 episodes focused on discussing some of the present of health tech and science and taking a deep look at the many exciting, often risky and generally thrilling possibilities of future technologies for health. With Nobel Laureate Jennifer Doudna; the founding father of genomics, George Church; the WHO’s chief scientist, Soumya Swaminathan; and many other guests.

Francesca Rossi is an influential global leader in AI research. Daniel Kahneman is one of the greatest living cognitive psychologists. In the final podcast in the series, our guests take Daniel’s revolutionary “fast and slow” systems of thought as inspiration for rewriting AI, and debate the nature of thought itself. “I really find it difficult to imagine why there should be anything at which humans are essential in the domain of intelligence,” says Kahneman. Is there anything that humans can do that AI cannot in principle do?

“We always had privacy violation, we had people being blamed falsely for crimes they didn’t do, we had mis-diagnostics, we also had false news, but what AI has done is amplify all this, and make it bigger,” says Google’s Nyalleng Moorosi. In Episode 5, she and philosopher Matthew Liao debate the delicate balance between personal moral agency, human rights and corporate responsibility in the brave new world of artificial intelligence. We need to understand more about these principles, not just to list them, says Liao, because then there’s a worry that we’re just doing ethics washing — they sound good but they don’t have any bite.

Particle physics is at a moment of truth. The discovery in 2012 of the Higgs boson promises to reveal a rich new structure for the vacuum and rewrite the history of the early universe, but a long list of fundamental questions remains, and physicists are faced with an awesome data flow from the Large Hadron Collider. In Episode 4, CERN’s Maurizio Pierini and Michael Doser explore using “unsupervised learning” to reveal nature’s mysteries. I’m really super excited about the next LHC run, says Pierini, because this is when we’re going to try these things for real.