Welcome to the Charismatic Leader Podcast.
In this special conversation, Brett McDermott sits down with Julian Treasure—international speaker and author of one of the most viewed TED Talks of all time—to explore why true influence begins not with speaking, but with listening.
Julian introduces his “pyramid of communication,” where listening forms the base, speaking builds on it, and presenting sits at the top. Together, Brett and Julian unpack why most leaders undervalue listening, how inattentive habits erode trust, and why deep, intentional listening is the ultimate gift that creates loyalty, connection, and charisma.
From practical frameworks like RASA (Receive, Appreciate, Summarize, Ask) to the power of silence and empathic listening, this episode offers actionable tools to transform how you lead, connect, and influence.
Key Takeaways
- Listening is a skill, not just a capability
- Charisma grows when leaders make others feel heard and valued
- Silence is a powerful leadership tool that builds trust and presence
- Use the RASA framework to deepen conversations and connection
- Influence starts with listening before speaking