(Sorry the camera quality in this one isn't great, we tried using cameras and they're rubbish! Normal quality will resume next episode). In this episode, Emily and Verity dive into a heated discussion about the controversial claim that Charlie Kirk should not have been killed, unpacking the moral, political, and cultural weight of such a statement. The conversation explores questions of justice, accountability, and the dangerous consequences of dehumanising rhetoric.

They also turn to the heartbreaking story of Iryna Zarutska, the Ukrainian refugee who was brutally stabbed on a train, reflecting on the wider issues of violence, safety, and how societies treat vulnerable communities in times of crisis.

With passionate debate and thoughtful reflection, Emily and Verity invite listeners to grapple with the complexities of tragedy, ideology, and humanity.