Ghost and Ashe in America walk through Season 4 Episode 5, a dense hour with three parallel crises of faith. Judas visits his old mentor Hadad in Bethany, and inside of three minutes Hadad has coached him through why he should be taking a stipend, investing at interest, and positioning himself for Secretary of the Treasury when Jesus takes the throne. The hosts unpack why the character is written not as a scheming villain but as a precocious, earnest guy whose novelty wore off, whose ego never got the death the other disciples got, and who runs back to his old life instead of to Jesus the moment doubt shows up.

Meanwhile in Jerusalem, Yusuf arrives at the Sanhedrin and watches Lahad casually pitch murdering Jesus to draw attention to a Beersheba border-expansion project. Sound familiar. And Martha misses the whole thing standing in the kitchen resenting Mary for sitting at Jesus's feet. Jesus tells his mother his followers are spiritually destitute because when people do not want to hear the truth, they turn off their ears. That is the working definition of a normie, delivered by Jesus himself.