This week, Michael and Megan are joined by Stephen Judd, the former CEO of HammondCare, to discuss how - if at all - an organisation can be "Christian".

Our hosts then discuss whether the broader church is an organisation, and if ministers can gain anything from the world of corporate wisdom.

Finally, they turn their attention to the hit drama Propser, a new show that follows a family as they build a super-powerful, super-wealthy megachurch.

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