In this episode Miles, Adam, and Chris talk with Chad from Kings Kaleidoscope about:

What the band has been doing lately.

Their latest project Beyond Control.

What it's like now that Chad is no longer a week to week worship pastor at Mars Hill.

The heights and depths of emotion found in this album.

The story behind the song "Enchanted" and how it conveys the theme of the entire record.

How God is with us in every step of our lives. How that thought is reflected in the album. Here's some more of Chad talking about what's been going on in his life over the years.

How our hope in Christ outbalances whether we feel like we are resonating with the lyrics.

The thought of this album being more of a gospel album than a worship album.

The process behind writing "A Prayer" and the decision to have an explicit version.

Why we need to be able to open and honest with God in our prayer time.

The composition of the band, how Chad is the driver of King Kaleidoscope's music.

What their tour this year looks like.

The idea of blending genres as a worship leader.

The co-writing process with guys like Zach Bolen on the album.

The importance of music theory when wanting to include all the instruments of our church.

In this episode Adam and I continue our discussion with Dustin Smith about:

Why we need to constantly fill ourselves up with the Word of God.

The songwriting process with others.

Starting the songwriting process with just worshiping.

Ways to become inspired.

The importance of community for worship communities.

The need of joy in our lives and how to express it in a worship context.

How the venue we are leading at doesn't necessarily need to change how we lead.

How we need to focus on fostering a heart for worship in our congregations.

The need for space in our worship sets to let God speak.

Discernment as a leader when picking sets and leading.

The trouble with trying to aim for young people for the sake of just aiming for young people.

Should we use a fog machine in our service?

The franchising of the church vs the smaller boutique church.

How the fasted growing churches in the country are multisite.

The village mentality and what it means for the worship service.

How things in the church are constantly changing.

Some lessons learned from Mars Hill. Here are some of the interviews we reference in the podcast. Here's our interview with Bob Kauflin.

Understanding who the people in our congregation and what it means for our worship leadership.

The value in chasing after a "hymn-like" sensibility in our songwriting.

The worship pastor vs. the worship leader.

The need to pour in to our people.

Discipling our congregation in worship.

Submitting to our leadership and supporting them in their vision.

The danger of going to a big worship concert and expecting to have the same experience at our church every week.

Recognizing that there is a wide spread of circumstances in the lives of our congregation.

In this episode myself and Adam talk with Dustin Smith about:

His heart and ministry in The Healing Project.

Why we need to be focused on the people in our church over the music.

Dustin's dream about the healing power of music.

What Dustin has seen God do through his music.

The power of declaring God's place over everything in our life.

Encouragement for the weekly worship leader.

Why we need to think more about the people we are serving rather than the music.

The value of personal worship time and the effect it has on corporate leadership.

The need to become more community driven rather than song driven.

Why we need to not try to emulate everything we see the bigger churches doing.

The importance of growing in our leadership and not fall in to just imitating.

How the lyrics we sing are so valuable in the framing of our theology.

The need to write songs that bring value to everything we do in our church service.

In this episode I talk with Travis Ryan about:

The tension of writing music from a place of brokenness.

The reason for worship music in the first place.

Why we need to be vulnerable as worship leaders.

The tension of being an artist and a worship leader. Why that idea is flawed in the first place.

The honor of being an artist in a community.

How to become more vulnerable in your worship leadership. Encouragement for how to connect help your pastor let you be more vulnerable on the platform.

Why the music we write from our personal experience can also effect those we lead.

Infusing humanity in a weekend worship service.

Understanding who we are in light of who God is.

Why people respond to realness in our leadership.

The difference between honoring and respecting our leadership.

Why we need to help others become better followers of Jesus.

How to stay inspired.

Here's part two of our talk with Bob Kauflin. You can hear part one here. In this episode you'll find:

Why it is dangerous for our churches to try to just copy what we see coming from the most popular churches.

The importance of multiple generations worshiping together and learning how to to do so.

Thoughts on how to contextualize for the group we are leading worship for.

The difference between what is written for radio and what is needed at the local church.

Some thoughts on church services that aim for young people.

Great ways to open up a worship service. How using scripture can really help in kicking off a service.

Some of Bob's favorite modern worship.

Some of the authors that have been an influence on Bob.

Emotional feelings in response to worship.

Colossians 3:16 in relation to our worship experience.

Advice for leaders and volunteers.

What we think is going on with worship ministry and church in general.

How the change in church culture is cyclical.

The reality of the retirement of a lot of mega church pastors.

How the internet has helped break down the walls for worship leaders and churches.

The balance of churches focusing on multi-generations vs younger generations.

Why the senior pastor has to be able to cast vision for the direction of the church. The support that younger leaders can provide in these transitions.

Some history lessons from Hillsong, Brian Houston, and Calvary Chapels.

The back and forth pull between multiple worship leaders vs a single leader on the weekend.

The value of the mega-church experience on the life of a growing young leader.

The pull back from video campuses for a live teacher on each campus.

The balance of smaller church communities vs the big church experience.

In this episode Miles and Adam talk with Bob Kauflin about:

His latest book and how he come to write the ones before.

The importance of a Biblical understanding of worship.

The story of Sovereign Grace Music.

Why the church needs theologically driven, accessible music.

Some perspective on the evolution of worship over the past 30 years.

The importance of looking toward mentors and leaders from generations past in church leadership.

Why we need to understand how worship is about having our whole congregation singing to God.

Why God needs to be the center of our worship planning.

The danger of focusing so much on the production of our services over what God is doing.

Why we have to make sure our ministries are focusing on what God is doing in our churches, not in others.

Thoughts on having a "worship experience" on the weekend.

The problem with chasing after a "wow moment" in our services.

How a lot of the most popular worship artists are now packing more theological depth in their lyrics.

Thoughts on how to connect modern worship styles with hymns.

Why the melodies of our songs need to be accessible for our church.

Having a right understanding of the difference between a song that's meant for the radio or for the local church.

Understanding that the songs in our church likely won't be the best songs for another church.

In this episode I talk with Jordan Frye from Urban Rescue about:

The impact of worship on the life of the artist.

How an encounter with God can wildly change our lives.

The impact of a simple ask from a leader when Jordan was in Jr. High.

The value of getting students involved in worship ministry. Here's a great article on that.

How to grow in our songwriting and leading.

Why we need to understand that we won't be the best songwriters when we start.

The need to be plugged in to a local church.

What God has been doing through their latest project.

How we can stay authentic on the platform from week to week.

The role the Holy Spirit plays in our worship leadership.

Building a culture of respect in our teams.

How to be open to God's leading for a spontaneous change in the service.

In this episode I talked with Darren Mulligan from We Are Messengers about:

How God changed his life and came to meet him.

The influence that secular music had on Darren well before he became a Christian and before We Are Messengers.

What God has been doing while they are on the Winter Jam tour.

How Darren has observed that many people that come to Winter Jam are not Christians and how We Are Messengers has been impacting people and giving hope.

The balance between worship music and radio music. The unfortunate division of both ad what that means both for the local worship leaders and the artist.

Advice for the young worship leader on infusing evangelism in their worship service.

The need for honesty in our words and our songwriting.

How Darren stays close to God while doing ministry.

The danger of having the act of reading our Bible becoming an idol in and of itself.

Why we need to recognize that we are all connected with God in our services. The importance of not letting ourselves feel the pride of being platform leaders.