Nathan Artt, founder & principal of Ministry Solutions Group, challenges everything churches assume about attendance, digital ministry, and physical space. In this episode, Nathan shares why engagement—not attendance—is the new predictive metric for church growth and how digital platforms are shaping the future of the local church.

Host Tyler Vance sits down with Nathan Artt to explore how churches can reimagine both digital strategy and physical spaces to meet people where they are. From Nathan’s own faith journey through digital ministry to real-world examples from retail, this conversation reframes how innovation, discipleship, and community intersect in Church 3.0.

What You’ll Learn

🔍 Nathan Artt digital ministry insights on why engagement is a leading indicator for church growth

🏛️ Ministry Solutions Group strategy for reimagining church buildings as community assets

📊 Church attendance vs engagement metrics and why attendance is now a lag indicator

💻 Hybrid church and online church models that actually drive in-person participation

🙏 Prayer, safety, and digital discipleship as catalysts for trust and transformation

🧠 Content for conversation vs consumption in modern church communication

🌍 The Gutenberg moment for the church and why digital is the greatest gospel amplifier since print

🔗 Learn more about Apollos: https://apollos.com/church-growth
🔗 Connect with Nathan Artt: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nathanartt/

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Daniel Yang of World Relief joins the podcast to discuss how the global migration crisis is actually a massive missional opportunity for the local church. Discover how your congregation can move beyond political rhetoric to embrace a "Great Commission" mindset that welcomes the stranger.

Tyler and Daniel Yang explore how local churches can lead with faith, courage, and clarity in a complex cultural moment. This conversation connects leadership, innovation, and digital discipleship with real-world mission and global impact.

What You’ll Learn

🌍 The Refugee Highway: How Daniel Yang sees global displacement as a tool for modern church planting.

🏡 Good Neighbor Teams: Practical steps for World Relief partners to build "trauma-informed" relationships.

📈 Growth Strategies: Why immigrant populations are the primary drivers of growth for Southern Baptists and Assemblies of God.

🛡️ Beyond Politics: Navigating the "proximity gap" to move from partisan debate to missional action.

📖 Biblical Mandate: Understanding the "four groups" (widow, poor, orphan, foreigner) that God prioritizes throughout Scripture.

🤝 Mutual Discipleship: How the global church is actually helping to disciple the American church.

🔗 Learn more about Apollos: https://apollos.com/church-growth

 🔗 Connect with Daniel Yang: https://www.linkedin.com/in/koobxwm/

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Zac Stephens, Senior Pastor of Faith Promise Church, shares an unfiltered look at leadership transition, vision clarity, and building a culture of everyday evangelism. In this episode, you’ll discover how Zac Stephens is equipping believers to win their world Monday through Saturday—not just on Sundays.

Host Tyler Vance sits down with Zac Stephens to explore what it takes to lead a multi-campus church through generational transition while accelerating spiritual formation. The conversation dives deep into vision alignment, accountability, digital discipleship, and how the WIN Network is reshaping church growth across Tennessee and beyond.

What You’ll Learn
🧭 Zac Stephens leadership transition at Faith Promise Church and the realities of senior pastor succession
🏛️ Faith Promise Church vision & culture and how values were clarified and recrafted
🌍 WIN Network explained — how churches equip believers to win their world
📱 Digital discipleship strategy using the Faith Promise App and Apollos
🔥 Personal evangelism accountability that led to record baptisms
📊 Church leadership systems that inspect what leaders expect
🤝 How technology multiplies pastoral care beyond weekend services

🔗 Learn more about Apollos: https://apollos.com/church-growth
🔗 Connect with Zac Stephens: https://www.instagram.com/thezacstephens

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Blue Van Dyke, founder of Studio C and longtime church and marketplace leader, joins Church3.0 to unpack how data, personalization, and digital strategy can help churches truly know and shepherd their people. In this episode, you’ll learn how modern engagement tools—when submitted to the Holy Spirit—can drive spiritual growth, not just metrics. Blue Van Dyke shares how engagement marketing principles translate into kingdom impact. Tyler and Blue explore why knowing people, personalizing communication, and leveraging mobile apps are essential for church growth, discipleship, and long-term engagement in a digital age.

🔗 More about Blue Van Dyke:
Blue Van Dyke is the founder and CEO of Studio C and brings a rare blend of international business savvy, digital marketing expertise, and executive pastoral leadership to his work. He was first introduced to the concept of “member engagement” during his time at Mercedes, where he began shaping strategies that now help churches connect more personally with their people. Today, he leads Studio C in partnering with churches to implement tech-enabled, next-step communication strategies that drive engagement and discipleship. Blue, his wife Crystal, their family, and their dog Leo now reside in Arizona.

What You’ll Learn

• 🚀 Blue Van Dyke’s journey from global marketing to founding Studio C for churches
• 📊 How church data and personalization improve discipleship and pastoral care
• 📱 Why the church mobile app is the most powerful post-Sunday engagement tool
• 🧭 The Product, Placement, Promotion framework applied to ministry
• 🔍 How churches can avoid being “data drunk” and use insights wisely
• 🤝 Why engagement drives attendance and generosity as a byproduct
• 🔮 How predictive data helps pastors shepherd people before they disengage

🔗 Learn more about Apollos: https://apollos.com/church-growth

🔗 Connect with Blue Van Dyke on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bluevandyke

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In this Church 3.0 episode, Tyler interviews Johnmark Oudersluys, the Executive Director of CityLink Center, for a powerful conversation about the future of church health, long-term disciple-making, and how ministries can rethink their strategies for real community impact.

Johnmark shares lessons from leading one of the most innovative, collaborative ministry centers in the country—focusing on outcomes, not outputs, and helping churches move beyond weekend-centric models.

From measuring what actually matters to building systems that create transformation, this episode gives pastors and ministry leaders a practical roadmap to build healthier churches in 2025 and beyond.

• ⛪ What You’ll Learn
• 📊 Why many churches are measuring the wrong things
• 🔁 The shift from programming to pathways
• 🤝 How CityLink Center is redesigning community impact
• 💡 What healthy churches prioritize (and what they stop doing)
• 🤲 Why collaboration—not competition—is the future of ministry
• 📈 The new metrics every pastor needs in 2025
• 🧩 How to structure teams for long-term discipleship
• 🛠️ Practical steps to build a healthier, more sustainable church model

🔗 About Johnmark Oudersluys

Johnmark Oudersluys is the Executive Director of CityLink Center, a nationally recognized hub where churches, nonprofits, and service providers collaborate to help individuals break cycles of poverty through integrated, Christ-centered support.

🔗 Learn more about Apollos – https://apollos.com/church-growth
🔗 Connect with Johnmark Oudersluys on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/johnmark-oudersluys-98a785/

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What happens when churches start thinking like innovators? In this episode, Data Strategist and Gloo Executive Matt Engel joins us to unpack the mindsets, models, and split-testing strategies reshaping church leadership today. If you’ve wondered how churches can build trust, engage new guests, or make better decisions using real data, this conversation is a must-watch.

Matt breaks down the shift from broadcast-style ministry to co-created, curated experiences—and shows why pastors who embrace experimentation will lead the next wave of church impact. From first-time guest retention to generosity journeys, to designing ministry innovation teams, this episode bridges practical tactics with deep insight for modern church leaders.

What You’ll Learn:
📊 How to use data to measure real ministry health — not just attendance or views
🎯 The two metrics that predict church growth and why most churches overlook them
🔁 How to increase return guest retention by 12x with simple, practical systems
🧭 Why focusing on inputs leads to stronger outputs and outcomes
🔍 The real stories behind your church’s data — and how to uncover what’s actually workin
🤝 How to use behavioral insights to reach your community more effectively
🧠 How to build a data-informed ministry mindset that strengthens discipleship
💡 Examples from real churches using data to improve outreach, giving, and engagement

🔗 Learn more about Apollos – https://apollos.com/church-growth
🔗 Connect with Matt Engel on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-%F0%9F%92%A5-e-1994104b/

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Luke Dooley, President of Ocean Accelerator and co-founder of Banded, joins Church3.0 to share how entrepreneurship, discipleship, and innovation intersect in powerful ways. Discover why churches and startups alike must embrace SLC: Simple, Lovable, Complete to build meaningful impact and lasting change.

In this conversation with Apollos COO Tyler Vance, Luke unpacks lessons learned from a decade of mentoring founders through Ocean Accelerator. From redefining success beyond hustle culture to helping church leaders navigate innovation with purpose, this episode is packed with wisdom for anyone passionate about leadership, digital ministry, and human-centered innovation in the Kingdom.

What You’ll Learn 
💡 What “Simple, Lovable, Complete (SLC)” means — a framework that helps churches and innovators move fast without losing soul. 
🙌 How Ocean Accelerator shaped faith-driven entrepreneurship — lessons from a decade of founder stories in Cincinnati and beyond. 
🌍 Why digital transformation in the church requires a mindset shift — from big leaps to small, consistent bets. 
❤️ How to redefine success and health for leaders — and why spiritual formation must start with “the who.” 
🧭 What churches can learn from entrepreneurs — especially about innovation, collaboration, and trust in the process. 
🧱 How “Banded” and peer community models support business and ministry leaders — building emotionally healthy leaders for long-term impact.

🔗 Learn more about Apollos – https://apollos.com/church-growth
🔗 Connect with Luke Dooley on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/luke-dooley/

How does one of America’s most well-known churches keep innovating in a digital age?
In this Church3.0 conversation, Liz Schauer — Marketing, Communications & Digital Director at Willow Creek Community Church — shares how her team is transforming digital strategy, creative communication, and online engagement to reach people where they are.

From building digital systems that serve the mission to aligning staff culture around communication clarity, Liz opens up about what it takes to lead innovation inside a large church. This episode is packed with insights on digital engagement, storytelling, and how Willow Creek is adapting to meet a post-pandemic world that’s still hungry for connection and hope.

What You’ll Learn
💡 Digital Ministry Framework: How Willow Creek structures its digital communication strategy.
🎯 Mission-Driven Marketing: Aligning creative teams around church purpose and values.
🧠 Team Leadership: Leading creative teams through clarity, trust, and collaboration.
🌎 Online Engagement: What’s working for reaching new audiences beyond the walls.
📱 Tech & Tools: How Willow Creek approaches digital platforms and innovation.
🕊️ Faith in Communication: Keeping the heart of the Gospel central in every medium.

🔗 Learn more about Willow Creek Community Church: https://www.willowcreek.org
🔗 Connect with Liz Schauer on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lizschauer/

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Terry Storch — Chief Platform Officer of YouVersion and Pastor at Life.Church — joins Tyler to reveal the next chapter of one of the most transformative digital ministry tools in history. From Beyond the Billion to the launch of YouVersion Platform, this episode uncovers how the Bible app continues to shape global faith and technology.

In this powerful Church3.0 conversation, Terry shares never-before-heard stories behind the Bible App’s journey from 83,000 downloads to over a billion, the heart behind the Beyond the Billion event in Oklahoma City, and how YouVersion Platform will equip ministries and developers to bring God’s Word to everyone, everywhere, every day. This is a masterclass in innovation, leadership, and the future of digital discipleship.

What You’ll Learn: 
👉 YouVersion’s Origin Story – How the Bible App started and grew to impact billions.
👉 Beyond the Billion Vision – Why YouVersion is celebrating God, not itself.
👉 What Is YouVersion Platform? – The new initiative empowering churches and developers globally.
👉 Leadership from the Inside Out – Terry’s four principles for leading from a posture of being “built by God.”
👉 The Power of Partnership – How Bible societies, volunteers, and churches fuel YouVersion’s mission.
👉 Heart Language and Access – Why delivering Scripture in people’s own language transforms lives.
👉 The Power of Four – The life-changing impact of engaging Scripture four times a week.

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🔗 Learn more about Apollos – https://apollos.com/church-growth
🔗 Connect with Terry Storch – https://www.linkedin.com/in/terrystorch/

📍For churches in the U.S. and globally seeking better ways to serve their community through data-informed ministry, this episode is your practical starting point.

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In this breaking news and bonus episode, join Tyler (Apollos) and Matt Welty (Crossroads Church) for a deep dive into the massive strategic shift happening between Apollos and Crossroads Church Cincinnati, Ohio. For over a decade, these two organizations have been partners in digital ministry, developing the highly effective Crossroads Anywhere app.

Now, Crossroads is moving to become a Custom SaaS Apollos user. What does this mean for the future of church technology? The leaders discuss their journey, from building a custom app for the "Brave Journey" to creating a digital ecosystem where thousands of people engage with scripture, prayer, and community every week.

This new Apollos Custom SaaS partnership is designed to accelerate innovation, allowing the wins, learnings, and features developed at Crossroads to be quickly and easily shared with the entire Apollos community and the "Big C" church worldwide. Discover the vision for a shared, collaborative platform that helps churches go farther, faster in their digital engagement strategy and ministry.

About the Guest:
Matt Welty helps teams and organizations clarify vision, align strategy, and grow leaders who move the mission forward. With a passion for creating innovative solutions, Matt is dedicated to building healthy, resilient teams and leveraging digital innovation to expand reach, strengthen engagement, and build community—all while staying anchored to the mission.

🔗 Connect with Matt Welty: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattwelty/

🚀 Learn How Apollos Can Accelerate Your Church Growth Strategy: 

Visit: http://apollos.com/church-growth