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In this episode, we examine how social work students develop professional identity while training amid shared traumatic realities related to war and terrorism. Using reflections from Israeli third-year students during the 2023–24 war, the conversation explores competence, boundaries, resilience, and growth.
Listen to Yael Hochman and Melissa Grady discuss: “Therapists are Sometimes Leaking Containers” Social Work Students’ Professional Identity Formation in the Shadow of War
Connect with The Clinical Social Work Journal:
Website: https://www.springer.com/journal/10615
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Links to our other episodes:
Episode 1: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/f91f3ed3-d6e3-4748-8ae2-6236cd7a076d/stream.mp3
Episode 2: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/bb08dad8-47ee-4195-8031-bcdb862a0835/stream.mp3
Episode 3: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/d1c4e6b4-e85b-4ef0-af25-ee0f6032e05c/stream.mp3
Episode 4: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/309e7b91-2575-4d3d-a892-0c8599379a01/stream.mp3
Episode 5: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/c27a16b0-7022-4cbe-8f1c-753dd2718e71/stream.mp3
Episode 6: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/d297edee-643f-49a7-a54b-de2231fe7e2d/stream.mp3
Episode 7: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/5b7de9e2-a452-4e01-b2e6-6ea0c167af00/stream.mp3
Episode 8: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/82775d1c-5dd7-4bff-95e7-475ec387675d/stream.mp3
Episode 9: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/4630361f-9dc9-4ec6-9390-987bd07b52de/stream.mp3
Episode 10: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/9e97a63d-7ed5-4bfe-b020-81a598a09a6d/stream.mp3
Episode 11: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/d9896666-3ec7-47ce-9fd6-c38f0740dd6b/stream.mp3
Episode 12: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/43cdb659-ef28-4c22-ae0d-75a669b3c57b/stream.mp3
Episode 13: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/4bf17230-9a27-46f2-a1a6-5124148c4951/stream.mp3
Episode 14: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/7d49c06b-f16a-42be-9224-0439cca8ac7c/stream.mp3
Episode 15: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/e3586324-9bde-4b4e-88f3-e6066d8d81ce/stream.mp3
Episode 16: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/c832c2af-0637-44fe-813b-7e28421143a8/stream.mp3
This episode examines barriers to professionalizing clinical social work in Zimbabwe amid rising mental health needs. Drawing on interviews with educators, regulators, and practitioners, the discussion highlights challenges in education, regulation, cultural beliefs, and financial incentives, and explores pathways for strengthening clinical practice.
Listen to Toruvinga Muzingili and Melissa Grady discuss: "Barriers to Professionalization of Clinical Social Work in Zimbabwe: Insights from Education, Regulation and Practice"
Connect with The Clinical Social Work Journal:
Website: https://www.springer.com/journal/10615
Twitter: https://twitter.com/home
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ClinicalSocialWorkJournal
Useful links on the topics discussed:
Predictors of Limited Quantitative Methodology Use in Clinical Social Work Research: A Survey of Zimbabwean Social Work Students: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10615-025-01001-z
Barriers to Professionalization of Clinical Social Work in Zimbabwe: Insights from Education, Regulation and Practice: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10615-025-01006-8
Article: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10615-025-01006-8
Links to our other episodes:
Episode 1: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/f91f3ed3-d6e3-4748-8ae2-6236cd7a076d/stream.mp3
Episode 2: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/bb08dad8-47ee-4195-8031-bcdb862a0835/stream.mp3
Episode 3: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/d1c4e6b4-e85b-4ef0-af25-ee0f6032e05c/stream.mp3
Episode 4: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/309e7b91-2575-4d3d-a892-0c8599379a01/stream.mp3
Episode 5: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/c27a16b0-7022-4cbe-8f1c-753dd2718e71/stream.mp3
Episode 6: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/d297edee-643f-49a7-a54b-de2231fe7e2d/stream.mp3
Episode 7: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/5b7de9e2-a452-4e01-b2e6-6ea0c167af00/stream.mp3
Episode 8: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/82775d1c-5dd7-4bff-95e7-475ec387675d/stream.mp3
Episode 9: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/4630361f-9dc9-4ec6-9390-987bd07b52de/stream.mp3
Episode 10: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/9e97a63d-7ed5-4bfe-b020-81a598a09a6d/stream.mp3
Episode 11: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/d9896666-3ec7-47ce-9fd6-c38f0740dd6b/stream.mp3
Episode 12: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/43cdb659-ef28-4c22-ae0d-75a669b3c57b/stream.mp3
Episode 13: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/4bf17230-9a27-46f2-a1a6-5124148c4951/stream.mp3
Episode 14: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/7d49c06b-f16a-42be-9224-0439cca8ac7c/stream.mp3
Episode 15: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/e3586324-9bde-4b4e-88f3-e6066d8d81ce/stream.mp3
This episode explores how culturally responsive CBT and mindfulness can help prevent suicide among at-risk incarcerated individuals, a population with high rates of mental illness and limited access to mental health care.
Listen to Eman Tadros and Melissa Grady discuss "Culturally Responsive CBT and Mindfulness: Minimizing Suicidality in Correctional Settings".
Connect with The Clinical Social Work Journal:
Website: https://www.springer.com/journal/10615
Twitter: https://twitter.com/home
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ClinicalSocialWorkJournal
Useful links on the topics discussed:
Tadros, E., Morgan, A. A., & Durante, K. A. (2024). Criticism, Compassion, and Conspiracy Theories: A Thematic Analysis of What Twitter Users Are Saying About COVID-19 in Correctional Settings. International journal of offender therapy and comparative criminology, 68(4), 370–388. https://doi.org/10.1177/0306624X221102847
Tadros, E. (2024). De-stigmatizing marriage and family therapy for those justice- involved. Journal of Forensic Psychiatry & Psychology. Advance online publication. https://doi.org/10.1080/14789949.2024.2403504
Article: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10615-024-00928-z
Links to our other episodes:
Links to our previous podcast episodes:
Episode 1: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/f91f3ed3-d6e3-4748-8ae2-6236cd7a076d/stream.mp3
Episode 2: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/bb08dad8-47ee-4195-8031-bcdb862a0835/stream.mp3
Episode 3: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/d1c4e6b4-e85b-4ef0-af25-ee0f6032e05c/stream.mp3
Episode 4: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/309e7b91-2575-4d3d-a892-0c8599379a01/stream.mp3
Episode 5: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/c27a16b0-7022-4cbe-8f1c-753dd2718e71/stream.mp3
Episode 6: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/d297edee-643f-49a7-a54b-de2231fe7e2d/stream.mp3
Episode 7: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/5b7de9e2-a452-4e01-b2e6-6ea0c167af00/stream.mp3
Episode 8: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/82775d1c-5dd7-4bff-95e7-475ec387675d/stream.mp3
Episode 9: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/4630361f-9dc9-4ec6-9390-987bd07b52de/stream.mp3
Episode 10: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/9e97a63d-7ed5-4bfe-b020-81a598a09a6d/stream.mp3
Episode 11: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/d9896666-3ec7-47ce-9fd6-c38f0740dd6b/stream.mp3
Episode 12: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/43cdb659-ef28-4c22-ae0d-75a669b3c57b/stream.mp3
Episode 13: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/4bf17230-9a27-46f2-a1a6-5124148c4951/stream.mp3
Episode 14: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/7d49c06b-f16a-42be-9224-0439cca8ac7c/stream.mp3
This episode explores psychological risk and protective factors for stress and burnout among social workers, highlighting how mindfulness-based approaches may reduce emotional exhaustion and improve personal accomplishment.
In this episode Alan Maddock discusses his new article "Examining Potential Psychological Protective and Risk Factors for Stress and Burnout in Social Workers" alongside Melissa Grady.
Connect with The Clinical Social Work Journal:
Website: https://www.springer.com/journal/10615
Twitter: https://twitter.com/home
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ClinicalSocialWorkJournal
More informational links on the topics discussed:
The Clinically Modified Buddhist Psychological Model for Social Work Practice and Self-care
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10615-022-00849-9
Exploring Social Work professionals’ Experiences of the Mindfulness-Based Social Work and Self-Care Programme: A Focus Group Study
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/19371918.2024.2325564#d1e559
A randomised trial of Mindfulness-based Social Work and Self-Care with social workers
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12144-023-04410-w
Mindfulness-Based Social Work and Self-Care with Social Work Professionals: Replication and Expansion of a Randomised Controlled Trial
https://academic.oup.com/bjsw/article/54/3/1319/7606673
Links to our other episodes:
Links to our previous podcast episodes:
Episode 1: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/f91f3ed3-d6e3-4748-8ae2-6236cd7a076d/stream.mp3
Episode 2: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/bb08dad8-47ee-4195-8031-bcdb862a0835/stream.mp3
Episode 3: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/d1c4e6b4-e85b-4ef0-af25-ee0f6032e05c/stream.mp3
Episode 4: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/309e7b91-2575-4d3d-a892-0c8599379a01/stream.mp3
Episode 5: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/c27a16b0-7022-4cbe-8f1c-753dd2718e71/stream.mp3
Episode 6: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/d297edee-643f-49a7-a54b-de2231fe7e2d/stream.mp3
Episode 7: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/5b7de9e2-a452-4e01-b2e6-6ea0c167af00/stream.mp3
Episode 8: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/82775d1c-5dd7-4bff-95e7-475ec387675d/stream.mp3
Episode 9: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/4630361f-9dc9-4ec6-9390-987bd07b52de/stream.mp3
Episode 10: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/9e97a63d-7ed5-4bfe-b020-81a598a09a6d/stream.mp3
Episode 11: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/d9896666-3ec7-47ce-9fd6-c38f0740dd6b/stream.mp3
Episode 12: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/43cdb659-ef28-4c22-ae0d-75a669b3c57b/stream.mp3
Episode 13: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/4bf17230-9a27-46f2-a1a6-5124148c4951/stream.mp3
Welcome to the Clinical Social Work Journal Podcast! This podcast interviews the author or authors about their work being published in the Clinical Social Work Journal and explores further its connection to clinical social work and other aspects of the profession. Thank you for joining us, and we are excited about this opportunity to share the exciting work being done in social work.
Please tune into a new episode with Dr. Joy Kim about her work about how social work regulations impact all social workers, including clinical social work. We talk about what clinical social workers should know about regulations and how they can impact our work as practitioners.
Social work regulatory rules and practices should balance the social values of promoting consumer safety and workforce equity. As the two values often compete, the balancing act should be guided by empirical evidence about the effects of regulations on consumers and the workforce. Unfortunately, however, empirical studies investigating the relationships between various regulatory rules and practices and consumer safety and workforce equity are rare in the existing literature. This paper identifies critical gaps in the current knowledge base and proposes a series of future research agendas that call for empirical evidence, including detailed data on jurisdictional regulatory rules and practices, the measures of consumer safety, and licensed social workers’ demographic, employment, and practice characteristics. The paper concludes by calling out to all social work stakeholders about the need for empirical evidence on the effects of social work regulatory rules and practices.
Connect with The Clinical Social Work Journal:
Website: https://www.springer.com/journal/10615
Twitter: https://twitter.com/home
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ClinicalSocialWorkJournal
Links to our previous podcast episodes:
Episode 1: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/f91f3ed3-d6e3-4748-8ae2-6236cd7a076d/stream.mp3
Episode 2: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/bb08dad8-47ee-4195-8031-bcdb862a0835/stream.mp3
Episode 3: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/d1c4e6b4-e85b-4ef0-af25-ee0f6032e05c/stream.mp3
Episode 4: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/309e7b91-2575-4d3d-a892-0c8599379a01/stream.mp3
Episode 5: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/c27a16b0-7022-4cbe-8f1c-753dd2718e71/stream.mp3
Episode 6: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/d297edee-643f-49a7-a54b-de2231fe7e2d/stream.mp3
Episode 7: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/5b7de9e2-a452-4e01-b2e6-6ea0c167af00/stream.mp3
Episode 8: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/82775d1c-5dd7-4bff-95e7-475ec387675d/stream.mp3
Episode 9: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/4630361f-9dc9-4ec6-9390-987bd07b52de/stream.mp3
Episode 10: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/9e97a63d-7ed5-4bfe-b020-81a598a09a6d/stream.mp3
Episode 11: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/d9896666-3ec7-47ce-9fd6-c38f0740dd6b/stream.mp3
Episode 12: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/43cdb659-ef28-4c22-ae0d-75a669b3c57b/stream.mp3
In this episode, we dive into "Conceptualization of Empathy: Toward a Deeper Understanding for Clinical Social Work Practice" with authors Alexander and Alessi. Together, they discuss their motivations for writing this article, exploring the complexities of empathy, its affective and cognitive components, and the challenges of measuring and understanding it. They contrast empathy with related concepts such as altruism, therapeutic alliance, and morality, sharing insights from both research and clinical practice. Additionally, they discuss empathy as a practical tool, providing essential takeaways and advice for clinical social workers to deepen their understanding and application of empathy in their practice.
Connect with The Clinical Social Work Journal:
Website: https://www.springer.com/journal/10615
Twitter: https://twitter.com/home
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ClinicalSocialWorkJournal
Links to our previous podcast episodes:
Episode 1: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/f91f3ed3-d6e3-4748-8ae2-6236cd7a076d/stream.mp3
Episode 2: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/bb08dad8-47ee-4195-8031-bcdb862a0835/stream.mp3
Episode 3: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/d1c4e6b4-e85b-4ef0-af25-ee0f6032e05c/stream.mp3
Episode 4: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/309e7b91-2575-4d3d-a892-0c8599379a01/stream.mp3
Episode 5: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/c27a16b0-7022-4cbe-8f1c-753dd2718e71/stream.mp3
Episode 6: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/d297edee-643f-49a7-a54b-de2231fe7e2d/stream.mp3
Episode 7: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/5b7de9e2-a452-4e01-b2e6-6ea0c167af00/stream.mp3
Episode 8: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/82775d1c-5dd7-4bff-95e7-475ec387675d/stream.mp3
Episode 9: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/4630361f-9dc9-4ec6-9390-987bd07b52de/stream.mp3
Episode 10: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/9e97a63d-7ed5-4bfe-b020-81a598a09a6d/stream.mp3
Welcome to the Clinical Social Work Journal Podcast! This podcast interviews the author or authors about their work being published in the Clinical Social Work Journal and explores further its connection to clinical social work and other aspects of the profession. Thank you for joining us and we are excited about this opportunity to share the exciting work being done in social work.
In this podcast, clinical social worker Jeff McCrossin explores how not only the individual patient, but an entire family, is affected by acquired brain injury. Impairment sustained from such injuries can last anywhere from a few days to an entire lifetime, depending on the injury severity. There are more than 2.8 million people with such injuries. In “Clinical Social Work with Families Affected by Brain Injuries: A Case Example” he shows how existing family-based knowledge and skills can be applied to serving this common, but understudied, form of injury.
Connect with The Clinical Social Work Journal:
Website: https://www.springer.com/journal/10615
Twitter: https://twitter.com/home
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ClinicalSocialWorkJournal
Links to our previous podcast episodes:
Episode 1: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/f91f3ed3-d6e3-4748-8ae2-6236cd7a076d/stream.mp3
Episode 2: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/bb08dad8-47ee-4195-8031-bcdb862a0835/stream.mp3
Episode 3: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/d1c4e6b4-e85b-4ef0-af25-ee0f6032e05c/stream.mp3
Episode 4: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/309e7b91-2575-4d3d-a892-0c8599379a01/stream.mp3
Episode 5: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/c27a16b0-7022-4cbe-8f1c-753dd2718e71/stream.mp3
Episode 6: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/d297edee-643f-49a7-a54b-de2231fe7e2d/stream.mp3
Episode 7: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/5b7de9e2-a452-4e01-b2e6-6ea0c167af00/stream.mp3
Episode 8: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/82775d1c-5dd7-4bff-95e7-475ec387675d/stream.mp3
Episode 9: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/4630361f-9dc9-4ec6-9390-987bd07b52de/stream.mp3
Episode 10: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/9e97a63d-7ed5-4bfe-b020-81a598a09a6d/stream.mp3
Welcome to the Clinical Social Work Journal Podcast! This podcast interviews the author or authors about their work being published in the Clinical Social Work Journal and explores further its connection to clinical social work and other aspects of the profession. Thank you for joining us and we are excited about this opportunity to share the exciting work being done in social work.
In this episode, Dr. Melissa Grady (EIC of the Clinical Social Work Journal) meets with Dr. Bussey to discuss "Identifying Biases in the Practice of Social Work Supervisees: Findings from a Grounded Theory Exploratory Study"
Helpful links about the podcast:
https://upendmovement.org/
https://utorontopress.com/9781442628861/a-violent-history-of-benevolence/
Contact information of Dr. Sarah Ross Bussey:
Contact information of Dr. Melissa Grady:
Webpage: https://ncsss.catholic.edu/faculty-and-research/faculty-profiles/grady-melissa/index.html
Connect with The Clinical Social Work Journal:
Website: https://www.springer.com/journal/10615
Twitter: https://twitter.com/home
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ClinicalSocialWorkJournal
Links to our previous podcast episodes:
Episode 1: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/f91f3ed3-d6e3-4748-8ae2-6236cd7a076d/stream.mp3
Episode 2: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/bb08dad8-47ee-4195-8031-bcdb862a0835/stream.mp3
Episode 3: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/d1c4e6b4-e85b-4ef0-af25-ee0f6032e05c/stream.mp3
Episode 4: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/309e7b91-2575-4d3d-a892-0c8599379a01/stream.mp3
Episode 5: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/c27a16b0-7022-4cbe-8f1c-753dd2718e71/stream.mp3
Episode 6: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/d297edee-643f-49a7-a54b-de2231fe7e2d/stream.mp3
Episode 7: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/5b7de9e2-a452-4e01-b2e6-6ea0c167af00/stream.mp3
The Clinical Social Work Journal Podcast: Episode 9
Welcome to the Clinical Social Work Journal Podcast! This podcast interviews the author or authors about their work being published in the Clinical Social Work Journal and explores further its connection to clinical social work and other aspects of the profession. Thank you for joining us and we are excited about this opportunity to share the exciting work being done in social work.
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In this episode, Dr. Melissa Grady (EIC of the Clinical Social Work Journal) meets with author Dr. Lynn M Raine to discuss "What is Clinical Social Work, Practitioners' Views"
To know more about the article click the link: https://rdcu.be/dxmEA
The Clinical Social Work Journal Podcast: Episode 8
Welcome to the Clinical Social Work Journal Podcast! This podcast interviews the author or authors about their work being published in the Clinical Social Work Journal and explores further its connection to clinical social work and other aspects of the profession. Thank you for joining us and we are excited about this opportunity to share the exciting work being done in social work.
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In this episode, Dr. Melissa Grady (EIC of the Clinical Social Work Journal) meets with author Dr. Jun Sung Hong to discuss his study, “Correlates of Perceived School Safety Among Black Adolescents in Chicago: Are There Sexual Orientation Differences?"
To read this article, please click: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10615-022-00854-y
Link for Dr. Jun Sung Hong:
Webpage: https://socialwork.wayne.edu/profile/fl4684
Recorded presentation related to topic of discussion:
Homophobic Bullying Presentation (3).pptx
Contact information of Dr. Melissa Grady:
Webpage: https://ncsss.catholic.edu/faculty-and-research/faculty-profiles/grady-melissa/index.html
Connect with The Clinical Social Work Journal:
Website: https://www.springer.com/journal/10615
Twitter: https://twitter.com/home
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ClinicalSocialWorkJournal
Links to our previous podcast episodes:
Episode 1: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/f91f3ed3-d6e3-4748-8ae2-6236cd7a076d/stream.mp3
Episode 2: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/bb08dad8-47ee-4195-8031-bcdb862a0835/stream.mp3
Episode 3: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/d1c4e6b4-e85b-4ef0-af25-ee0f6032e05c/stream.mp3
Episode 4: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/309e7b91-2575-4d3d-a892-0c8599379a01/stream.mp3
Episode 5: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/c27a16b0-7022-4cbe-8f1c-753dd2718e71/stream.mp3
Episode 6: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/d297edee-643f-49a7-a54b-de2231fe7e2d/stream.mp3
Episode 7: https://stream.redcircle.com/episodes/5b7de9e2-a452-4e01-b2e6-6ea0c167af00/stream.mp3
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Welcome to the Clinical Social Work Journal Podcast! This podcast interviews the author or authors about their work being published in the Clinical Social Work Journal and explores…