In this 'Commission Conversation', Chair of the Commission on the Future of Oracy Education in England, Geoff Barton, talks to Kirsten Howells about why 'fluency' isn't a marker of being a good speaker and we can ensure a focus on oracy in schools is inclusive of children who stammer. You'll also hear from some children who stammer about their experiences at school.

Kirsten Howells is Director of Services and Deputy CEO at STAMMA, the largest UK charity and membership organisation representing people who stammer. Kirsten joined STAMMA in 2019, initially as a helpline volunteer, and now coordinates their helpline, advocacy and employment services.