In this 'Commission Conversation' Geoff Barton, Chair of the Commission on the Future of Oracy Education in England, talks to Sammy Wright about his new book 'Exam Nation',  including the challenges of assessing oracy and why, despite these challenges, it might still be worth doing.

Sammy Wright is Head of School at a large secondary in Sunderland. He is the author of 'Exam Nation: Why Our Obsession with Grades Fails Everyone and a Better Way to Think about School'. Sammy sat on the government's Social Mobility Commission from 2018 to 2021, becoming a key voice in the debates over exam grades during the pandemic. He has taught for twenty years at schools in Oxfordshire, London and the North East.