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If you’ve ever assumed you’d spot spiritual deception instantly, this conversation is meant to unsettle you. We start with a hard historical mirror, ordinary ambitions that hid extraordinary evil, and use it to ask an uncomfortable question: what’s in our hearts that hasn’t been tested yet? From there we walk straight into 2 Thessalonians 2:11 and the warning of a “powerful delusion,” not as a fringe curiosity, but as a present danger that can seep into church life so slowly it feels normal.
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King County prosecutors of Washington State clearly engaged in a setup prosecution. Dr. John C. Yuille is an expert for experts. Helped write Washington State guidelines, which Judge, Prosecutor, and Enumclaw Police entirely ignored. Along with a dumbed down jury.
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The Pharisees did not go away; they formed “cult” revealing groups, organizations, podcasts and churches of their own watered-down gospels.
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Persecution, Falling Away, And The Love Shaped By The Cross
God Uses Testing To Reveal Who Will Remain
A church doesn’t usually vanish overnight, but Sound Doctrine Church did, and the reason given is blunt: persecution for the sake of righteousness scattered the body. We sit with the uncomfortable idea that pressure is not only pain, it’s a test that reveals what’s real. When the cost rises, do we still cling to Jesus Christ and his words, or do we discover we only loved the benefits?
We walk through key scriptures that frame that testing. Luke 8 warns about receiving the word with joy and then falling away when trials hit. 1 John 2:19-25 sharpens the lens even more, tying departure to what someone truly believes and lives, not merely what they claim. From there, we turn to 2 Timothy 3:1-5 and ask what “terrible times” look like inside modern Christianity: self-love, money-love, pleasure-first living, and a form of godliness that denies the power that actually crucifies sin.
The heart of the conversation is a definition of biblical love that refuses to be reduced to friendliness, social comfort, or permissive tolerance. We argue that the Holy Spirit produces love that rejoices in truth, exposes impure motives, and creates Acts-like unity and generosity, even “all things in common” as a fruit of surrender rather than a rule. That kind of love can feel fearsome because it demands the cross, including the crucifixion of our opinions, our pride, and even our confidence in our own wisdom.
If you’re hungry for Christian discipleship that is more than words, listen closely, share this with someone who needs clarity, and subscribe, rate, and review so more people can find the show. What would change if you measured love by the cross instead of comfort?
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A Jury Jot
"Let Me See The Plea"
The Consider Podcast
Examining Today's Wisdom, Folly and Madness
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Prosecutors are fools if they think a holy God is going to let this slip because it is "the law."
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A single interview can decide someone’s future, especially when there’s no physical evidence to fall back on. We dig into a case from King County and Enumclaw, Washington involving Malcolm Fraser and Sound Doctrine Church, and we ask a hard question: what happens when the investigation itself shapes the story that later becomes “proof”?
We rely heavily on forensic psychology and the science of memory, focusing on the late Dr. John C. Ewell and the interviewing standards he helped popularize, including the Stepwise interview protocol for children and adolescents. We talk about why open-ended prompts matter, how leading or suggestive questions can contaminate recall, and why repeated suggestion can lock in details that were never freely reported. If you care about eyewitness memory, child forensic interviewing, credibility assessment, and wrongful convictions, this conversation connects the research to real courtroom consequences.
From there, we walk through the transcript’s allegations of investigative misconduct, prosecutorial tunnel vision, and evidence handling failures, plus what it means when appeals courts uphold a verdict despite expert critique. The goal is not just to relive one controversy, but to make the process visible so listeners can spot the difference between a careful investigation and a narrative built under pressure.
If this raised new questions for you, subscribe, share the episode with someone who follows true crime or criminal justice reform, and leave a review so more people can find it. What safeguards should exist before an interview becomes the cornerstone of a conviction?
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This is rather long - I would skip it if I were you unless you are interested in deeper dive into small town corruption and violation of the law.
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The Consider Podcast
Examining today's wisdom, folly and madness
Ecclesiastes 7:25
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