In this episode, Raghu Nandakumara sits down with Jen Ellis, founder of NextJenSecurity, for a sharp and wide-ranging conversation about why so many of cybersecurity's biggest debates keep missing the point.

Just weeks after a major AI breakthrough sent shockwaves through the security industry, Jen brings her trademark candour to the questions everyone is asking: from the real mechanics of ransomware economics to a frank assessment of why the industry's approach to resilience may be fundamentally miscalibrated.

The conversation explores what it actually means to defend in an era where vulnerability discovery is accelerating faster than vendors can patch, end users can respond, and policymakers can keep up. Jen argues that while the threat landscape has never been more urgent, the assumptions underpinning most proposed solutions,  from payment bans to AI-powered fixes, are more naive than the industry wants to admit.

Raghu and Jen discuss:

The episode closes with a dose of honest pragmatism: there are no five-step fixes, nothing is actually simple, and the attack surface is expanding faster than most organizations are moving. But there is real momentum — more policymakers, more collaboration, more urgency than the industry has ever seen. The question is whether we'll use it.

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