Hey everyone. This is Kirk here again at Option Alpha and welcome back to the daily call. Today, I'm going to talk about how I became an options trader and just a little bit of my path and journey basically since I graduated college and what I started doing and how I took this path and becoming now a full-time options trader for over 10 years. I originally started in college as a finance major. I've always been a finance major in college. And when I graduated from the University of Virginia, I decided that I wanted to be an investment banker. Now, all full disclosure, looking back on it now, everybody in my class decided they wanted to be an investment banker or a hedge fund analyst or an equities trader. I mean, it was literally the only thing that you did. I mean, if you said you did anything else, it was kind of looked down upon to some degree that you are deciding to take a different path. All of my friends were getting interviews in New York and going back and forth to New York to become investment bankers or work on Wall Street. Naturally, I thought, "Well, yeah. This is what I want to do." I love numbers, I love math, I love the markets. I've always had a love for understanding business and finance and so, I thought to myself, "Well, yeah, of course. This is what everybody wants to do, is work on Wall Street and become an investment banker." I eventually got a job, an internship and job at Deutsche Bank and worked at Deutsche Bank for a while which was right on 60 Wall Street. In fact, I still think that the company is still there, although I think their stock has been tanking over the last couple of years. But it was a great place and I really enjoyed my time there. I think the people there were great. I learned a ton and I was in the mergers and acquisitions group which is one of the probably better groups that you can be in because you see a lot of stuff. It's on the private side of the Chinese wall, so you have very much private information, companies that are coming together that the market doesn't know about, people are talking secretly, they're trying to merge with each other or buy each other out and it's just a really fascinating time to be part of this and this was all well before the markets kind of collapsed. Things were going crazy. There was leverage buyouts all over the place, but again, very, very fascinating.
What I absolutely hated about that job, however, was the hours and time commitment and trajectory of my life at that point. I originally saw one of my managing directors come in one weekend, obviously coming in on the weekend which is not something I thought should be really kind of the norm for some guy who was leading this group. But he came in on the weekend and worked pretty much all day. We were in there on the weekend all the time. I mean, it was kind of a social norm to come in at 6:00 and don't leave until midnight, basically. And he called his kids and tucked them into bed on the phone and I remember asking him, saying, "How many nights do you see your kids?" And he said, "Maybe two nights a week, I see my kids." And he spent most of his time actually in the city. He would rent a hotel. The company would pay for him to stay in a hotel a couple of blocks away, so that when he left the city and went to New Jersey for a day or two, that's when he would see this kids and I thought to myself like, "That is absolutely the worst possible thing in the world. I couldn't even imagine even at that point that'd be my life trajectory, working so hard every single day and that's the type of success level that I reach." All else being said, I learned a lot being at Deutsche Bank, got an opportunity to do a rotation on the derivatives trading desk. Now, what I loved about Deutsche Bank unlike maybe some of the other banks out there is that they actually, I think to some degree like wanted you to kind of move around and find your own fit. And so, when I had a chance to move over and do a rotation on trading desk, that's where I really learned a little bit and kind of got my feet really wet in understanding how the markets worked and how an institutional bank like Deutsche Bank saw the equity markets, saw the derivatives market and saw options trading in general from the institutional side. And even though I was there for a short amount of time and kind of rotating around to different groups, I really, really got sucked into that. I mean, that's really what I consider to be my official start. I mean, I learned about options trading and calculated Black Scholes models by hand in college, but from an understanding and just like watching and witnessing how they thought about markets and expected value and pricing and position sizing, how they thought about all of that stuff was really, really interesting to me.
Following that, I left New York and moved back to DC. At that time, I was dating my wife. Well, now wife and mother of three kids, but fiancé, girlfriend at the time. I had an opportunity to work as a REIT analyst for a capital markets bank, regional bank outside of DC. Again, really good opportunity, I want to try something different. I wanted to be on the other side of the Chinese wall, if you will, so I wanted to be on the public side. In mergers and acquisitions, I was on the private side, so I couldn't say anything to anybody. On the other side, I was a REIT analyst, so I could ask questions, I could dive deeper, I could try to understand how these REITs were operating, how their business model was structured, how they thought about capital and how they thought about allocating resources. It was really, really interesting and still why I really like real estate and REITs even to this day. I just understand and love that business as well. But even during that time period, I realized that this is still not something I want to do. It always seemed like I was just chasing this proverbial tail or it's just always just updating models and improving systems and trying to figure out what the growth rates were and even though we have no idea where companies are going to be in the future and we don't know how fast technology is evolving. I mean, it was just this constant like cat and dog chasing each other around. The company would say one thing. How does that change our model? The industry published a new growth expectation. How does that change our model? I mean, it was just this constant bereavement that I just really, really hated and seemed like it served really no value to the outside world, nor to myself really. I left that business and decided to them start trading at home at that point and thankfully, my wife was able to help facilitate this. She was a teacher and so, she was able to support us as we started trading at home.
But you know, when I went home and started trading and as many of you guys know, it was not like a very easy journey. I mean, in fact, the first week, I lost a couple of thousand dollars and I remember my wife saying like, "If that's going to be how it's going to be, you better start polishing up that resume." But I started doing basically what everyone else was doing at that time and very, very quickly learned how not to do things and that's okay and I kind of moved past those. I tried day trading. That didn't work. I tried Forex trading. That definitely didn't work. I tried futures trading. That didn't work. I tried swing trading and using chart patterns and drawing lines all over the place. I looked like I was a 13-year-old kid drawing colors on charts. I mean, it was crazy. And I quickly learned and kind refocused my attention back onto options trading. I kind of sat down after a couple of weeks and said, "Look. None of this crap is working. What works?" And then that's where I really started to dig in and what I believe to be the very start of a very long journey that I'm still on now in understanding exactly how the options market works. At that time, when I started digging down, I said, "Okay. What are the numbers? What can I really hang my hat on as far as the math behind trading? What can I use as far as a system that can produce predictable results or some sort of model or template that I can use?" And that really started my journey into understanding the options market in all facets. And what we started doing even a couple of years ago with our Signals and profit matrix research, to our back-testing software, to our upcoming auto-trading software has all been in an attempt to basically from that day forward, understand more and solidify more how the options market works. It's been for me a very, very long journey, but a very fulfilling journey because it's a labor of love. I truly love trying to figure out the markets, trying to improve even incrementally how we're doing things and understanding the psychology all around it.
I would say that my start in becoming an options trader got started many, many years ago, over 10 years ago now, but the process and journey has been a constant improvement. I mean, it really has. I consider myself to be not yet fully there and I don't think I will ever be there to like consider myself to be a great trader. I think there's always room for improvement and I'm always looking for the next iteration, the next edge, the next thing I can change or tweak or adapt to make myself a little bit better. Hopefully that helps out. I'd love to hear your guys' story if you do have a story of how you got started in trading options. I know it's probably always a little bit different, but seriously, I really want to hear this, so please shoot me an email, post on Facebook, on Twitter, LinkedIn, YouTube, wherever you follow us online. I'd love to know your story of how you came to the markets, how they found you, how you found the markets, kind of that serendipitous love story between you and options trading and please share it with us. As always, hopefully you guys enjoyed this and until next time, happy trading.