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What happens when you’ve known someone longer than your own wife? You get the kind of raw, honest conversation that only 54 years of friendship can produce.

In this episode of Followed by Mercy, Austin Gardner sits down with his lifelong friend and mentor, Steve McVey—the best-selling author of Grace Walk. They take us back to the beginning in 1972, sharing hilarious stories of street preaching and "witnessing" in bars, before diving into a profound truth: the danger of asking God to know Him more deeply.

Inside the Episode:

• The Bumblebee Bar Story: Why Betty (Austin’s wife) caught him coming out of a bar at a Baptist college.
• The Performance Trap: How Steve went from a "successful" pastor at 19 to finding true intimacy with Christ.
• Defining Brokenness: Why Steve defines brokenness as "giving up confidence in our own ability to manage life."
• The "Dangerous Prayer": Why praying to know God more deeply often leads to chaos, but always leads to grace.

Whether you are struggling with the pressure to perform or navigating your own season of "chaos," this conversation is a roadmap to finding rest in the finished work of Jesus.

Connect with Austin Gardner:
🌐 Website: https://waustingardner.com
📩 Substack: https://waustingardner.substack.com
📘 Alignment Ministries: https://alignmentministries.com

About Steve McVey:
Steve is the author of Grace Walk and has spent decades helping people move from performance-based religion to the freedom of a relationship with Christ.

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