Stewart and Woody discuss the idea that humans are predisposed to playing status games, leading to a reliance on social affirmation and the importance of being wrong in discovering what is right. They also touch on the societal impact of technology and wealth disparity. The conversation then shifts to the issue of trust in experts and how the current societal changes make it necessary for individuals to develop their understanding of truth. They briefly touch on the COVID situation and its impact on society and the economy.

The conversation covers topics such as establishing ground truth, the existence of a divine being, the relationship between the material world and spiritual truth, and the potential implications of AI in society. There is also a discussion about the history of religion, how it has evolved, and the slow societal trend toward treating AI as a deity.

They go on to discuss time poverty, the emptiness caused by the removal of God from society, and the centralizing tendencies of AI development. They discuss the ineffectiveness of central agents controlling complex adaptive systems and the need for adaptive experimentation and data. The conversation highlights the importance of being on our toes and the danger of retrogressive evolution caused by competitive cognitive artifacts such as smartphones and AI.

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