A 2025 policy shift at DNR set aside tens of thousands of acres of structurally complex forests and older trees. Celebrated by some groups and criticized by others, the change has sparked debate over the future of timber-dependent counties, rural jobs, biodiversity, and how Washington manages older trees that aren't yet old growth. We explore different perspectives on the issue with Heath Heikkila of the American Forest Resource Council and Miguel Pérez-Gibson of Washington Conservation Action.