Which of the services of the church are still necessary? This week we talk with co-host, Kyle Butler. Jason Elam has graciously organized a fundraiser for my stroke recovery. Please decide if you can donate, share or help in another way. This is going to be a long journey and we are committed to it.…Read more →

It was good to get together with Aaron Tomlinson to talk about the Main Thing. In most churches, it’s usually expressed at Evangelism, but usually practiced as the marketing end of the organization. We talked about what truly must become the main thing for us here in the desert. It was a little different for…Read more →

Jason steps in to help us talk about being addicted to church. Organized religion is designed to attract people. It IS addictive. Then Monday, the high wears off and we start pre-using, dreaming about going back. Of course we like it, just like I used to like sodas-I was addicted to it. We took Cindy…Read more →

So, here we go! This begins our serious on our soon-to be published book, “Out Into the Desert.” The subtitle of the book is Thriving Outside Organized Religion. It is not an attack on religion, it is a review, mostly of Christianity. It is also some of our experience as pastors for 20 years. The…Read more →

The five of us: Laura Forehand, Jason Elam, Aaron Tomlinson, Kyle Butler and Karl Forehand talk about authenticity. All four of us were pastors and told to follow our calling, but that really meant becoming what people wanted us to do, since God’s will was interpreted through people. In this episode we talk about what…Read more →

That’s right, we’re taking a break from social media for the month of December. Email us or send s a text if you really need to tell us something. We may not check it very often. [email protected] lauraforehand64@karl4hand Order Being or the The Being Journey companion guide now!Website: https://karlforehand.com/·  https://ratethispodcast.com/thedesertsanctuary·  Message us at any time if…Read more →

So grateful for Kyle being willing to talk to us once a month. His wisdom and insight is powerful at times. Once again, we go inside and talk about real healing Order Being or the The Being Journey companion guide now!Website: https://karlforehand.com/·  https://ratethispodcast.com/thedesertsanctuary·  Message us at any time if you have questions: [email protected] or Laura at [email protected]·  Find…Read more →

I love every conversation I have with Jason Elam. I attempted to interview him, but he is good at turning questions around. Even though we are the best of friends, we don’t see everything exactly the same, but we usually end up talking about organized religion. Order Being or the The Being Journey companion guide…Read more →

No matter what we call our journey, it is necessary to face our woundedness. We talk with Aaron again about how that happens. This is all things shadow and inner child. The time went quickly and we probably just scratched the surface, but enjoy! Remember, we are taking off the month of December. Look for…Read more →

We’ve been waiting a while to talk to Dallas Verity. He and Blair have had some amazing interviews on their podcast, Shipwreck Over Safety. But we got to know them more through our conversations on various broadcasts over the years including The Desert Sanctuary. When I knew we were going to talk, I kept seeing…Read more →