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  • BTP-LR17 – Day 12 – The Last Retreat by St. Elizabeth of the Trinity – Beginning to Pray with Dr. Anthony Lilles – Discerning Hearts Podcast

    Day 12 – The Last Retreat by St. Elizabeth of the Trinity- Beginning to Pray with Dr. Anthony Lilles

    Dr. Anthony Lilles and Kris McGregor reflect on the 12th day of St. Elizabeth of the Trinity’s Last Retreat, focusing on the theme of peace as a gift from Christ’s indwelling presence. Elizabeth teaches that true holiness and peace flow from Christ’s intimate union with the soul—a union initiated by God’s love and sealed through Christ’s sacrifice. Dr. Lilles explains that Christ doesn’t conform to our expectations, but rather invites us to surrender to his transformative love, which purifies, sanctifies, and leads us to the Father. This kind of relationship with Jesus requires letting go of our desire for control, comfort, and reputation, which often block our openness to grace.

    The discussion also highlights the dynamic nature of divine peace: it is not merely a feeling, but the fruit of Christ’s ongoing work in us. Through daily recollected prayer—giving intentional space for God in silence—Christ reorders our inner life, heals deep wounds, and conforms us more fully to himself. This peace, grounded in the knowledge that we are deeply loved and redeemed, enables us to stand confidently before the Father and live in right relationship with others. Elizabeth’s message is ultimately one of hope: through trust and recollection, even in weakness, Christ continues to act, lifting and transforming us with his immense love.

    Discerning Hearts Reflection Questions
    1. How is Christ inviting you to surrender control and allow His love to transform your life?
    2. In what areas are you seeking comfort or approval more than God’s presence?
    3. Do you make time each day for silent, recollected prayer where Christ can work in you?
    4. How does knowing that Christ’s love is greater than your failures change the way you pray?
    5. What does it mean to you personally that Jesus is your peace?
    6. Are you open to letting go of your own image of Jesus in order to encounter the real, living Lord?
    7. How can you allow the truth of being the beloved of the Father to shape your identity today?
    8. In what ways is fear keeping you from trusting God more deeply?
    9. How do you experience Christ forming you into His image in your daily life?
    10. What might God be asking you to die to in order to live more fully in His love?
    11. From “Last Retreat Day 12” found in The Complete Works vol 1:

      29. “Verbum caro factum est et habitavit in nobis.” 171 God has said: “Be holy, for I am holy.” 172 But He remained hidden in His inaccessible [light173] and the creature needed to have Him descend to it, to live its life, so that following in His footsteps, 174 it can thus ascend to Him and become holy with His holiness. “I sanctify myself for them that they also may be sanctified in the truth.” 175 Here I am in the presence “of a mystery hidden from ages and generations,” the mystery “which is Christ”: “your hope of glory,” 176 says St. Paul! And he adds that “the understanding of this mystery” was given to him. 177 So it is from the great Apostle that I am going to learn how I may possess this knowledge which, in his expression, “surpasses all other knowledge: the knowledge of the love of Christ Jesus.” 178

      30. First of all he tells me that He is “my peace,” 179 that it is “through Him that I have access to the Father,” 180 for it has pleased this “Father of lights” 181 that “in Him all fullness should dwell, and that through Him He should reconcile to Himself all things, whether on the earth or in the heavens, making peace through the Blood of His Cross. . . .” 182 “You have received of His fullness,” the Apostle continues, “you were buried with Him in Baptism, and in Him you rose again through faith in the working of God. . . . He brought you to life along with Him, forgiving you all your sins, cancelling the decree of condemnation which weighed on you: He abolished it by nailing it to the Cross. Despoiling Principalities and Powers, He victoriously led them away as captives, triumphing over them in Himself . . . ,” 183 “to present you holy, pure, and without reproach before Him. . . .” 184

      31. This is Christ’s work in every soul of good  will and it is the work that His immense love, His “exceeding love,” 186 is eager to do in me. He wants to be my peace so that nothing can distract me or draw me out of “the invincible fortress of holy recolletion.” 187 It is there that He will give me “access to the Father” and will keep me as still and as peaceful in His presence as if my soul were already in eternity. 188 It is by the Blood of His Cross that He will make peace in my little heaven, so that it may truly be the repose of the Three. He will fill me with Himself; He will bury me with Him; He will make me live again with Him, by His life: “Mihi vivere Christus est!” 189 And if I fall at every moment, 190 in a wholly confident faith I will be helped up by Him. I know that He will forgive me, that He will cancel out everything with a jealous care, and even more, He will “despoil” me, He will “free” 191 me from all my miseries, from everything that is an obstacle to the divine action. “He will lead away all my powers,” 192 making them His captives, triumphing over them in Himself. Then I will have wholly passed into Him and can say: “I no longer live. My Master lives in me!” 193 And I will be “holy, pure, without reproach” in the Father’s eyes.

      This the text we are using to discuss “Heaven in Faith” you can find it here and order from the Carmelite Sisters

      We would like to thank Miriam Gutierrez for providing “the voice” of St. Elizabeth for this series

      For other episodes in the series visit the Discerning Hearts page for Dr. Anthony Lilles

      Anthony Lilles, S.T.D., has served the Church and assisted in the formation of clergy and seminarians since 1994. Before coming to St. Patrick’s, he served at seminaries and houses of formation in the Archdiocese of Denver and the Archdiocese of Los Angeles. The son of a California farmer, married with young adult children, holds a B.A. in theology from the Franciscan University of Steubenville with both the ecclesiastical licentiate and doctorate in spiritual theology from the Pontifical University of Saint Thomas Aquinas in Rome (the Angelicum). An expert in the writings of St. Elizabeth of the Trinity and the Carmelite Doctors of the Church, he co-founded the Avila Institute for Spiritual Formation and the High Calling Program for priestly vocations. He also founded the John Paul II Center for Contemplative Culture, which hosts symposiums, retreats, and conferences. In addition to his publications, he blogs at www.beginningtopray.com .

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    12. Wednesday of the Twelfth Week of Ordinary Time – A Time of Lectio Divina for the Discerning Heart Podcast


      Wednesday of the Twelfth Week of Ordinary Time – A Time of Lectio Divina for the Discerning Heart Podcast

      As you begin, take a deep breath and exhale slowly.  For at least the next few moments, surrender all the cares and concerns of this day to the Lord.

      Say slowly from your heart “Jesus, I Trust In You…You Take Over”

      Become aware that He is with you, looking upon you with love, wanting to be heard deep within in your heart…

      From the Holy Gospel According to St. Matthew 7:15-20

      Jesus said to his disciples: ‘Beware of false prophets who come to you disguised as sheep but underneath are ravenous wolves. You will be able to tell them by their fruits. Can people pick grapes from thorns, or figs from thistles? In the same way, a sound tree produces good fruit but a rotten tree bad fruit. A sound tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor a rotten tree bear good fruit. Any tree that does not produce good fruit is cut down and thrown on the fire. I repeat, you will be able to tell them by their fruits.’

      What word made this passage come alive for you?

      What did you sense the Lord saying to you?

      Once more give the Lord an opportunity to speak to you:

      Jesus said to his disciples: ‘Beware of false prophets who come to you disguised as sheep but underneath are ravenous wolves. You will be able to tell them by their fruits. Can people pick grapes from thorns, or figs from thistles? In the same way, a sound tree produces good fruit but a rotten tree bad fruit. A sound tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor a rotten tree bear good fruit. Any tree that does not produce good fruit is cut down and thrown on the fire. I repeat, you will be able to tell them by their fruits.’

      What did your heart feel as you listened?

      What did you sense the Lord saying to you?

      Once more, through Him, with Him and in Him listen to the Word:

      Jesus said to his disciples: ‘Beware of false prophets who come to you disguised as sheep but underneath are ravenous wolves. You will be able to tell them by their fruits. Can people pick grapes from thorns, or figs from thistles? In the same way, a sound tree produces good fruit but a rotten tree bad fruit. A sound tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor a rotten tree bear good fruit. Any tree that does not produce good fruit is cut down and thrown on the fire. I repeat, you will be able to tell them by their fruits.’

      What touched your heart in this time of prayer?

      What did your heart feel as you prayed?

      What do you hope to carry with you from this time with the Lord?

      Our Father, who art in heaven,

      hallowed be thy name.

      Thy kingdom come.

      Thy will be done on earth, as it is in heaven.

      Give us this day our daily bread,

      and forgive us our trespasses,

      as we forgive those who trespass against us,

      and lead us not into temptation,

       but deliver us from evil.

      Amen

      Excerpt from THE JERUSALEM BIBLE, copyright (c) 1966 by Darton, Longman & Todd, Ltd. and Doubleday, a division of Penguin Random House, Inc. Reprinted by Permission.

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    13. HIDT1- Conference 1 – Hope in Difficult Times with Fr. Timothy Gallagher – Discerning Hearts Podcasts

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      Conference 1 – Hope in Difficult Times: with Sts. Therese, Louis, and Zelie and Their Family with Fr. Timothy Gallagher O.M.V.

      In this first conference of Hope in Difficult Times with St. Thérèse and Her Family, Fr. Timothy Gallagher introduces the deeply faith-filled and resilient lives of St. Thérèse’s parents, Saints Louis and Zélie Martin. Setting the historical and geographical stage of 19th-century Normandy, he describes how the Martins’ lives were shaped by a deep devotion to God, personal suffering, and commitment to family. Zélie, a talented and industrious lace maker, built a successful business to ensure her daughters’ futures, while Louis, a devout man of prayer, set aside his dream of monastic life to raise a family steeped in spiritual depth. Through the reading of their letters, especially Zélie’s correspondence with her younger brother Isidore, we see the Martins’ daily struggles, joys, and their unwavering reliance on divine providence, prayer, and the sacraments.

      Zélie’s letters offer a vivid portrait of her tender care for her children, her affectionate marriage, and the suffering she endured, including health challenges and anxiety over her children’s well-being. Her words reveal a woman grounded in practical love and maternal concern, writing late at night after long days to remain connected with family. Louis’ one surviving letter to Zélie expresses his affection and concern for her health with heartfelt sincerity. Like many parents, Zélie and Louis had challenges in raising their children, particularly young Léonie’s serious illness and baby Hélène being sent to a wet nurse due to Zélie’s declining health—early signs of the breast cancer that would eventually take her life. These stories serve as a powerful witness of grace at work in ordinary family life.

      Discerning Hearts Reflection Questions
      1. How do I entrust my daily struggles and anxieties to God as Zélie did in her letters?
      2. In what ways can I express love and support to family members through simple, thoughtful acts?
      3. Do I recognize the sacredness of my vocation—whether in marriage, religious life, or single life—as a path to holiness?
      4. How does the example of Louis and Zélie challenge my understanding of trust in divine providence?
      5. What role does prayer play in the way I care for and support others?
      6. How might I imitate the Martins’ reverence for the Eucharist and their practice of offering communion for loved ones?
      7. Do I take time to reflect on the brevity of life and the hope of eternal union with God and loved ones?
      8. How can I balance responsibility and rest, especially when I’m tempted to overwork like Zélie?
      9. In moments of suffering or disappointment, do I seek God’s will with the same perseverance shown by Louis and Zélie?
      10. How might I use my gifts and talents in service to others, especially to ensure the dignity and care of those entrusted to me?
      11. Did you know that Fr. Timothy Gallagher has 15 different podcasts series on Discerning Hearts Catholic Podcasts?  Visit here to discover more!

        Fr. Gallagher obtained his doctorate in 1983 from Gregorian University. He has taught (St. John’s Seminary, Brighton, MA; Our Lady of Grace Seminary Residence, Boston, MA), assisted in formation work for twelve years, and served two terms as provincial in his own community. He has dedicated many years to an extensive ministry of retreats, spiritual direction, and teaching about the spiritual life. Fr. Gallagher is the author of six books (Crossroad) on the spiritual teaching of St. Ignatius of Loyola.

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      12. The Lasting Influence of St. Augustine, Pt. 3 – In Conversation with Dcn. Omar Gutierrez – Discerning Hearts Podcast
        Deacon Omar F.A. Gutierrez, M.A.
        The Lasting Influence of St. Augustine, Pt. 3 – In Conversation with Deacon Omar Gutierrez

        Deacon Omar Gutiérrez and Kris McGregor discuss the enduring significance of St. Augustine in Catholic thought, the Church’s spiritual life, and how he may influence Pope Leo XIV’s pontificate. St. Augustine made an immense impact on Western theology, especially his influence on St. Thomas Aquinas, and how this shaped Catholic social teaching through Rerum Novarum. St. Augustine’s deep interior exploration in Confessions resonated with saints like St. Teresa of Avila and St. Teresa Benedicta of the Cross (aka Edith Stein). St. Augustine’s vision in City of God contrasts the self-centered “city of man” with the divine love found in the “city of God,” presenting to us a framework relevant to contemporary challenges of community, power, and personal meaning.

        St. Augustine’s personal journey—his moral struggles, intellectual conversion, and his mother Monica’s faithful intercession—is a mirror for today’s searchers, especially in an era marked by isolation and distraction. Deacon Omar reflects on his own experience with the Augustinian spirit of charity and dialogue, pointing out how their emphasis on unity in essentials, freedom in non-essentials, and charity in all things could guide the Church forward, particularly in Catholic social teaching.

        For Part 1 of this conversation, click here.
        For Part 2 of this conversation, click here.
        Discerning Hearts Reflection Questions
        1. How does St. Augustine’s personal conversion story speak to the struggles in your own spiritual journey?
        2. In what ways do you see the tension between the “city of man” and the “city of God” in today’s culture?
        3. How can St. Augustine’s honest self-examination in Confessions inspire deeper prayer and reflection in your life?
        4. What role does community play in your faith, and how might you nurture it more intentionally?
        5. How does the witness of St. Monica challenge you to persevere in love and prayer for others?
        6. Are you seeking comfort and power, or truth and love, in your daily decisions?
        7. How can you cultivate unity in essentials, freedom in non-essentials, and charity in all things?
        8. Where do you see the influence of St. Augustine’s thought in the Church’s social teachings today?
        9. In what ways might you better listen to others as a way of honoring their dignity?
        10. How is God inviting you to help build the city of God in your family, parish, or society?
        11. Deacon Omar Gutiérrez is the President and co-Founder of the Evangelium Institute as well as the Director of the Society for the Propagation of the Faith in the Archdiocese of Omaha.

          About his book, “A Summary of Rerum Novarum or On Capital and Labor”

          This short introduction provides the historical background for Pope Leo XIII’s Rerum Novarum as well as some detail about the pope himself. It also provides a paragraph-by-paragraph summary of the document to better understand the teaching. This is ideal for students of the document and those studying Catholic Social Teaching.

          You can buy a copy of the book here.

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        12. BTP-LR16 – Day 11, pt. 2 – The Last Retreat by St. Elizabeth of the Trinity – Beginning to Pray with Dr. Anthony Lilles – Discerning Hearts Podcast

          Day 11, Part 2 – The Last Retreat by St. Elizabeth of the Trinity- Beginning to Pray with Dr. Anthony Lilles

          Dr. Anthony Lilles and Kris McGregor continue their discussion on Day 11 of St. Elizabeth of the Trinity’s Last Retreat and the profound invitation to deeper communion with God through silence, solitude, and surrender. Those who have progressed in the spiritual life may struggle with inner habits like brooding, rash judgment, or self-pity—tendencies that can only be healed through encountering the living Word in contemplative prayer. This form of prayer is not about methodical virtue-building but a heartfelt consent to God’s transformative presence, modeled after the Blessed Virgin Mary’s “yes.” In silence, the soul opens to the Father’s strength, which enables it to receive and keep the Word, Jesus Christ, who alone can pierce the heart and bring healing.

          True Christian communion is not a personal triumph over life’s ambiguities but an abiding presence of God within them. God’s will, likened to the protective walls of a garden, offers space where the Holy Spirit can move freely, liberating the soul from being ruled by moods or impulses. As the soul dwells in this loving silence, it becomes capable of acting in divine freedom. St. Elizabeth calls the soul into the “eternal present”—a place of God’s abiding love and truth—where the Trinity makes its home. This transformation is not just for personal sanctity but also for the good of others, as one’s surrendered heart becomes a channel of divine life and grace.

          Discerning Hearts Reflection Questions
          1. How might God be inviting you to surrender control in your prayer life and trust more deeply in His presence?
          2. In what areas of your heart do you find it difficult to let go of hurt, judgment, or fear?
          3. Are you willing to enter into silence and solitude so that God can speak His Word more deeply within you?
          4. How do you respond when God reveals your interior wounds—do you offer them to Him or turn away?
          5. What does it mean for you personally to “keep the Word” and allow it to dwell in your daily life?
          6. How have you experienced communion with God not as a personal achievement but as a gift received in love?
          7. When you reflect on God’s will, do you see it as restrictive or as a path to freedom in the Spirit?
          8. What prevents you from living in the “eternal present” where God’s love is always active and near?
          9. How can your surrender to God’s transforming love become a source of blessing for others in your life?
          10. Are you open to letting God’s Word strip away attachments so that you may grow in holiness and deeper intimacy with Him?
          11. From “Last Retreat Day 11, pt 2” found in The Complete Works vol 1:

            28. But it is not enough just to listen to this word, we must keep it! 164 And it is in keeping it that the soul will be “sanctified in the truth,” and that is the desire of the Master: “Sanctify them in the truth, your word is truth.” 165 To the one who keeps His word has He not made this promise: “My Father will love him and we will come to him and make our home in him”? 166 It is the whole Trinity who dwells in the soul that loves them in truth, that is, by keeping their word! And when this soul has realized its riches, all the natural or supernatural joys that can come to it from creatures or from God Himself are only an invitation to reenter into itself in order to enjoy the substantial Good that it possesses, which is nothing else than God Himself. And thus it has, St. John of the Cross says, a certain resemblance to the divine Being. 167

            “Be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect.” St. Paul tells me “that He works all things according to the counsel of His will,” 168 and my Master asks me also to pay Him homage in this regard: “to do all things according to the counsel of His will.” Never to let myself be ruled by impressions, by the first impulses of nature, but to let the will gain self-mastery. . . . And for this will to be free, it must be, in the expression of a pious writer, “enclosed in God’s will.” 169 Then I will be “moved by His Spirit,” 170 as St. Paul says. I will do only what is divine, only what is eternal, and, like my Unchanging One, I will live even here below in an eternal present.

            Elizabeth of the Trinity (2014-07-24). Elizabeth of the Trinity Complete Works, Volume I: I Have Found God, General Introduction and Major Spiritual Writings (Kindle Locations 3419-3435). ICS Publications. Kindle Edition.

            This the text we are using to discuss “Heaven in Faith” you can find it here and order from the Carmelite Sisters

            We would like to thank Miriam Gutierrez for providing “the voice” of St. Elizabeth for this series

            For other episodes in the series visit the Discerning Hearts page for Dr. Anthony Lilles

            Anthony Lilles, S.T.D., has served the Church and assisted in the formation of clergy and seminarians since 1994. Before coming to St. Patrick’s, he served at seminaries and houses of formation in the Archdiocese of Denver and the Archdiocese of Los Angeles. The son of a California farmer, married with young adult children, holds a B.A. in theology from the Franciscan University of Steubenville with both the ecclesiastical licentiate and doctorate in spiritual theology from the Pontifical University of Saint Thomas Aquinas in Rome (the Angelicum). An expert in the writings of St. Elizabeth of the Trinity and the Carmelite Doctors of the Church, he co-founded the Avila Institute for Spiritual Formation and the High Calling Program for priestly vocations. He also founded the John Paul II Center for Contemplative Culture, which hosts symposiums, retreats, and conferences. In addition to his publications, he blogs at www.beginningtopray.com .

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          12. Conference 8 – Discerning the Will of God with Fr. Timothy Gallagher – Discerning Hearts Catholic Podcasts

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            Conference 8 – Discerning the Will of God with Fr. Timothy Gallagher O.M.V.

            Fr. Timothy Gallagher explores “third mode” discernment as taught by St. Ignatius of Loyola. This method involves a careful, prayerful evaluation of the advantages and disadvantages of two good options, always oriented toward God’s greater glory. Fr. Gallagher walks listeners through a structured approach that includes gathering relevant information, evaluating options rationally, and seeking confirmation through prayer. He shares Patrick’s journey of discernment regarding a full-time prison ministry role and Matthew’s reflection on whether to remain in his diaconal assignment—both examples illustrate the clarity and peace that come when discernment is approached with spiritual maturity, freedom of heart, and prayerful attentiveness.

            Fr. Gallagher also outlines a complementary method from St. Ignatius involving three imaginative “tests”: advising a stranger in the same situation, considering what decision one would prefer at the end of life, and reflecting on one’s choice from the perspective of the Last Judgment. These exercises aim to bring greater objectivity and insight.

            You can find various handouts spoken of by Fr. Gallagher in the links below:
            • Handout 1: https://www.discerninghearts.com/PDF/Discerning_the_Will_of_God-DISCERNING_HEARTS.pdf
            • Handout 2: https://www.discerninghearts.com/PDF/Text-of-St-Ignatius-SpirEx,175-188.pdf
            • Discerning Hearts Reflection Questions
              1. Have I truly sought to align my desires with God’s greater glory in the decision I face?
              2. Am I spiritually free enough to accept either option with equal openness before beginning discernment?
              3. Have I gathered all relevant and necessary information to make a well-informed choice?
              4. Do I regularly bring my discernment process into prayer, especially before the Blessed Sacrament?
              5. Have I sought wise spiritual counsel to guide me through this discernment?
              6. When listing advantages and disadvantages, am I focusing on how each option may serve God rather than myself?
              7. Am I resisting choices rooted in self-interest, status, or comfort rather than in love for God?
              8. Do I experience interior peace or clarity as I lean toward one option over another?
              9. If I were advising a stranger in my exact situation, what would I counsel them to do for God’s glory?
              10. For more episodes from Discerning The Will of God conference talks visit here.
                Did you know that Fr. Timothy Gallagher has 13 different podcast series on Discerning Hearts Catholic Podcasts?
                Visit here to discover more Fr. Gallagher podcasts!

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              11. The Most Holy Trinity – A Time of Lectio Divina for the Discerning Heart Podcast

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                The Most Holy Trinity – A Time of Lectio Divina for the Discerning Heart Podcast

                As you begin, take a deep breath and exhale slowly.  For at least the next few moments, surrender all the cares and concerns of this day to the Lord.

                Say slowly from your heart “Jesus, I Trust In You…You Take Over”

                Become aware that He is with you, looking upon you with love, wanting to be heard deep within in your heart…

                From the Holy Gospel According to John 16:12-15

                Jesus said to his disciples:

                ‘I still have many things to say to you
                but they would be too much for you now.
                But when the Spirit of truth comes
                he will lead you to the complete truth,
                since he will not be speaking as from himself
                but will say only what he has learnt;
                and he will tell you of the things to come.
                He will glorify me,
                since all he tells you
                will be taken from what is mine.
                Everything the Father has is mine;
                that is why I said:
                All he tells you
                will be taken from what is mine.’

                What word made this passage come alive for you?

                What did you sense the Lord saying to you?

                Once more give the Lord an opportunity to speak to you:

                Jesus said to his disciples:

                ‘I still have many things to say to you
                but they would be too much for you now.
                But when the Spirit of truth comes
                he will lead you to the complete truth,
                since he will not be speaking as from himself
                but will say only what he has learnt;
                and he will tell you of the things to come.
                He will glorify me,
                since all he tells you
                will be taken from what is mine.
                Everything the Father has is mine;
                that is why I said:
                All he tells you
                will be taken from what is mine.’

                What did your heart feel as you listened?

                What did you sense the Lord saying to you?

                Once more, through Him, with Him and in Him listen to the Word:

                Jesus said to his disciples:

                ‘I still have many things to say to you
                but they would be too much for you now.
                But when the Spirit of truth comes
                he will lead you to the complete truth,
                since he will not be speaking as from himself
                but will say only what he has learnt;
                and he will tell you of the things to come.
                He will glorify me,
                since all he tells you
                will be taken from what is mine.
                Everything the Father has is mine;
                that is why I said:
                All he tells you
                will be taken from what is mine.’

                What touched your heart in this time of prayer?

                What did your heart feel as you prayed?

                What do you hope to carry with you from this time with the Lord?

                Our Father, who art in heaven,

                hallowed be thy name.

                Thy kingdom come.

                Thy will be done on earth, as it is in heaven.

                Give us this day our daily bread,

                and forgive us our trespasses,

                as we forgive those who trespass against us,

                and lead us not into temptation,

                 but deliver us from evil.

                Amen

                Excerpt from THE JERUSALEM BIBLE, copyright (c) 1966 by Darton, Longman & Todd, Ltd. and Doubleday, a division of Penguin Random House, Inc. Reprinted by Permission.

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              12. Saturday of the Tenth Week of Ordinary Time – A Time of Lectio Divina for the Discerning Heart Podcast
                Saturday of the Tenth Week of Ordinary Time – A Time of Lectio Divina for the Discerning Heart Podcast

                As you begin, take a deep breath and exhale slowly.  For at least the next few moments, surrender all the cares and concerns of this day to the Lord.

                Say slowly from your heart “Jesus, I Trust In You…You Take Over”

                Become aware that He is with you, looking upon you with love, wanting to be heard deep within in your heart…

                From the Holy Gospel According to Matthew 5:33-37

                Jesus said to his disciples: ‘You have learnt how it was said to our ancestors: You must not break your oath, but must fulfil your oaths to the Lord. But I say this to you: do not swear at all, either by heaven, since that is God’s throne; or by the earth, since that is his footstool; or by Jerusalem, since that is the city of the great king. Do not swear by your own head either, since you cannot turn a single hair white or black. All you need say is “Yes” if you mean yes, “No” if you mean no; anything more than this comes from the evil one.’

                What word made this passage come alive for you?

                What did you sense the Lord saying to you?

                Once more give the Lord an opportunity to speak to you:

                Jesus said to his disciples: ‘You have learnt how it was said to our ancestors: You must not break your oath, but must fulfil your oaths to the Lord. But I say this to you: do not swear at all, either by heaven, since that is God’s throne; or by the earth, since that is his footstool; or by Jerusalem, since that is the city of the great king. Do not swear by your own head either, since you cannot turn a single hair white or black. All you need say is “Yes” if you mean yes, “No” if you mean no; anything more than this comes from the evil one.’

                What did your heart feel as you listened?

                What did you sense the Lord saying to you?

                Once more, through Him, with Him and in Him listen to the Word:

                Jesus said to his disciples: ‘You have learnt how it was said to our ancestors: You must not break your oath, but must fulfil your oaths to the Lord. But I say this to you: do not swear at all, either by heaven, since that is God’s throne; or by the earth, since that is his footstool; or by Jerusalem, since that is the city of the great king. Do not swear by your own head either, since you cannot turn a single hair white or black. All you need say is “Yes” if you mean yes, “No” if you mean no; anything more than this comes from the evil one.’

                What touched your heart in this time of prayer?

                What did your heart feel as you prayed?

                What do you hope to carry with you from this time with the Lord?

                Our Father, who art in heaven,

                hallowed be thy name.

                Thy kingdom come.

                Thy will be done on earth, as it is in heaven.

                Give us this day our daily bread,

                and forgive us our trespasses,

                as we forgive those who trespass against us,

                and lead us not into temptation,

                 but deliver us from evil.

                Amen

                Excerpt from THE JERUSALEM BIBLE, copyright (c) 1966 by Darton, Longman & Todd, Ltd. and Doubleday, a division of Penguin Random House, Inc. Reprinted by Permission.

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              13. Friday of the Tenth Week of Ordinary Time – A Time of Lectio Divina for the Discerning Heart Podcast

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                Friday of the Tenth Week of Ordinary Time – A Time of Lectio Divina for the Discerning Heart Podcast

                As you begin, take a deep breath and exhale slowly.  For at least the next few moments, surrender all the cares and concerns of this day to the Lord.

                Say slowly from your heart “Jesus, I Trust In You…You Take Over”

                Become aware that He is with you, looking upon you with love, wanting to be heard deep within in your heart…

                From the Holy Gospel According to Matthew 5:27-32

                Jesus said to his disciples: ‘You have learnt how it was said: You must not commit adultery. But I say this to you: if a man looks at a woman lustfully, he has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye should cause you to sin, tear it out and throw it away; for it will do you less harm to lose one part of you than to have your whole body thrown into hell. And if your right hand should cause you to sin, cut it off and throw it away; for it will do you less harm to lose one part of you than to have your whole body go to hell.

                ‘It has also been said: Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a writ of dismissal. But I say this to you: everyone who divorces his wife, except for the case of fornication, makes her an adulteress; and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.’

                What word made this passage come alive for you?

                What did you sense the Lord saying to you?

                Once more give the Lord an opportunity to speak to you:

                Jesus said to his disciples: ‘You have learnt how it was said: You must not commit adultery. But I say this to you: if a man looks at a woman lustfully, he has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye should cause you to sin, tear it out and throw it away; for it will do you less harm to lose one part of you than to have your whole body thrown into hell. And if your right hand should cause you to sin, cut it off and throw it away; for it will do you less harm to lose one part of you than to have your whole body go to hell.

                ‘It has also been said: Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a writ of dismissal. But I say this to you: everyone who divorces his wife, except for the case of fornication, makes her an adulteress; and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.’

                What did your heart feel as you listened?

                What did you sense the Lord saying to you?

                Once more, through Him, with Him and in Him listen to the Word:

                Jesus said to his disciples: ‘You have learnt how it was said: You must not commit adultery. But I say this to you: if a man looks at a woman lustfully, he has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye should cause you to sin, tear it out and throw it away; for it will do you less harm to lose one part of you than to have your whole body thrown into hell. And if your right hand should cause you to sin, cut it off and throw it away; for it will do you less harm to lose one part of you than to have your whole body go to hell.

                ‘It has also been said: Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a writ of dismissal. But I say this to you: everyone who divorces his wife, except for the case of fornication, makes her an adulteress; and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.’

                What touched your heart in this time of prayer?

                What did your heart feel as you prayed?

                What do you hope to carry with you from this time with the Lord?

                Our Father, who art in heaven,

                hallowed be thy name.

                Thy kingdom come.

                Thy will be done on earth, as it is in heaven.

                Give us this day our daily bread,

                and forgive us our trespasses,

                as we forgive those who trespass against us,

                and lead us not into temptation,

                 but deliver us from evil.

                Amen

                Excerpt from THE JERUSALEM BIBLE, copyright (c) 1966 by Darton, Longman & Todd, Ltd. and Doubleday, a division of Penguin Random House, Inc. Reprinted by Permission.

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              14. Ep 6 – The 8th Shewing – All Shall Be Well w/ Kris McGregor – Discerning Hearts Catholic Podcasts

                All Shall Be Well: A Journey Through Julian of Norwich’s Revelations of Divine Love with Kris McGregor
                Episode 6: The Eighth Shewing — The Suffering Face of Love

                Summary:

                In Episode 6, In this powerful episode, we enter the Eighth Revelation of Julian of Norwich—a devastating yet holy vision of Christ’s dying. Julian beholds the gradual drying of Christ’s body, a slow agony revealing the depths of divine love. She reflects on His thirst—both physical and spiritual—and joins in His suffering through a profound union of compassion. Drawing on Isaiah, the Gospel of John, the Catechism, and the witness of mystics like St. Bridget and St. Teresa of Calcutta, this episode explores the mystery of redemptive suffering. Julian’s witness offers not only theological depth but an invitation to gaze upon the Crucified with love and trust.

                For other episodes in this series visit: All Shall Be Well: A Journey Through Julian of Norwich’s Revelations of Divine Love with Kris McGregor

                Full Julian of Norwich Quotations Used in Episode 6:

                From Revelations of Divine Love, Long Text, Chapters XVI-XXI, trans. Grace Warrack, Methuen & Co., 1901 (PDF edition).

                The Eighth Shewing —The Suffering Face of Love

                “I saw His sweet face as it were dry and bloodless with pale dying. And later, more pale, dead, languoring; and then turned more dead unto blue; and then more brown-blue, as the flesh turned more deeply dead…” (Ch. 16)

                “This long pining seemed to me as if He had been seven nights dead, dying, at the point of outpassing away, suffering the last pain. And when I said it seemed to me as if He had been seven night dead, it meaneth that the sweet body was so discoloured, so dry, so shrunken, so deathly, and so piteous, as if He had been seven night dead, continually dying. And methought the drying of Christ’s flesh was the most pain, and the last, of His Passion.” (Ch. 16)

                “I Thirst” and the Drying of Love

                “AND in this dying was brought to my mind the words of Christ: I thirst.

                For I saw in Christ a double thirst: one bodily; another spiritual, the which I shall speak of in the Thirty-first Chapter.” (Ch. 17)

                “I saw four manner of dryings: the first was bloodlessness; the second was pain following after; the third, hanging up in the air, as men hang a cloth to dry; the fourth, that the bodily Kind asked liquid and there was no manner of comfort ministered to Him in all His woe and distress. Ah! hard and grievous was his pain, but much more hard and grievous it was when the moisture failed and began to dry thus, shrivelling.” (Ch. 17)

                “These were the pains that shewed in the blessed head: the first wrought to the dying, while it had moisture; and that other, slow, with shrinking drying, [and] with blowing of the wind from without, that dried and pained Him with cold more than mine heart can think.”(Ch. 17)

                “I thought: Is any pain like this? And I was answered in my reason: Hell is another pain: for there is despair. But of all pains that lead to salvation this is the most pain, to see thy Love suffer. How might any pain be more to me than to see Him that is all my life, all my bliss, and all my joy, suffer? Here felt I soothfastly that I loved Christ so much above myself that there was no pain that might be suffered like to that sorrow that I had to [see] Him in pain.”(Ch. 17)

                The Wound in the Side and the Opening of the Heart

                “And after this, a wond [wound] was shewed in His side, right as it was shewed afore: which He shewed unto me in the same manner as I saw afore, and therewith He brought to mind the dearworthy blood and water which He suffered to be shed out of that same side. … And well I wist that it was He that shewed it. … And in the same shewing suddenly the Trinity filled my heart full of the greatest joy; and I understood that it shall be so in Heaven without end to all that shall come there.” (Ch. 18)

                A Mother’s Compassion

                “HERE I saw a part of the compassion of our Lady, Saint Mary: for Christ and she were so oned in love that the greatness of her loving was cause of the greatness of her pain. For in this [Shewing] I saw a Substance of Nature’s Love, continued by Grace, that creatures have to Him: which Kind Love was most fully shewed in His sweet Mother, and overpassing; for so much as she loved Him more than all other, her pains passed all other. For ever the higher, the mightier, the sweeter that the love be, the more sorrow it is to the lover to see that body in pain that is loved.” (Ch. 19)

                “Here saw I a great oneing betwixt Christ and us, to mine understanding: for when He was in pain, we were in pain.

                And all creatures that might suffer pain, suffered with Him: that is to say, all creatures that God hath made to our service. The firmament, the earth, failed for sorrow in their Nature in the time of Christ’s dying. For it belongeth naturally to their property to know Him for their God, in whom all their virtue standeth: when He failed, then behoved it needs to them, because of kindness [between them], to fail with Him, as much as they might, for sorrow of His pains.” (Ch. 19)

                Choosing Christ as Heaven

                “Thus was I learned to choose Jesus for my Heaven, whom I saw only in pain at that time.”(Ch 19)

                “Then had I a proffer in my reason, as if it had been friendly said to me: Look up to Heaven to His Father. And then saw I well, with the faith that I felt, that there was nothing betwixt the Cross and Heaven that might have harmed me… I answered inwardly with all the might of my soul, and said: Nay; I may not: for Thou art my Heaven. For I would liever have been in that pain till Doomsday than to come to Heaven otherwise than by Him.” (Ch 19)

                “The outward part is our deadly fleshhood, which is now in pain and woe, and shall be, in this life: whereof I felt much in this time; and that part it was that repented. The inward part is an high, blissful life, which is all in peace and in love: and this was more inwardly felt; and this part is [that] in which mightily, wisely and with steadfast will I chose Jesus to my Heaven.”(Ch 19)

                The Measure of Divine Love

                “And for every man’s sin that shall be saved He suffered: and every man’s sorrow and desolation He saw, and sorrowed for Kindness and love. (For in as much as our Lady sorrowed for His pains, in so much He suffered sorrow for her sorrow;—and more, in as greatly as the sweet manhood of Him was worthier in Kind.) For as long as He was passible He suffered for us and sorrowed for us; and now He is uprisen and no more passible, yet He suffereth with us.”(Ch 20)

                “And I, beholding all this by His grace, saw that the Love of Him was so strong which He hath to our soul that willingly He chose it with great desire, and mildly He suffered it with well-pleasing.”(Ch 20)

                “For the soul that beholdeth it thus, when it is touched by grace, it shall verily see that the pains of Christ’s Passion pass all pains: [all pains] that is to say, which shall be turned into everlasting, o’erpassing joys by the virtue of Christ’s Passion.”(Ch 20)

                The Promise of Joy

                “It is God’s will, as to mine understanding, that we have Three Manners of Beholding His blessed Passion. The First is: the hard Pain that He suffered,—[beholding it] with contrition and compassion.”(Ch 21)

                “And I looked for the departing with all my might, and thought to have seen the body all dead; but I saw Him not so. And right in the same time that methought, by the seeming, the life might no longer last… suddenly (I beholding in the same Cross), He changed [the look of] His blessed Countenance. The changing of His blessed Countenance changed mine, and I was as glad and merry as it was possible. Then brought our Lord merrily to my mind: Where is now any point of the pain, or of thy grief? And I was full merry.”(Ch 21)

                “And I understood that we be now, in our Lord’s meaning, in His Cross with Him in His pains and His Passion, dying; and we, willingly abiding in the same Cross with His help and His grace unto the last point, suddenly He shall change His Cheer to us, and we shall be with Him in Heaven.”(Ch 21)

                “The harder our pains have been with Him in His Cross, the more shall our worship be with Him in His Kingdom.”Ch 21)

                Scripture Featured

                (Translations used: Revised Standard Version [RSV] )

                •  (Isaiah 53:3–4, RSV)
                • “He was despised and rejected by men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief… he has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows”

                  •  (Matthew John 19:34, RSV)
                  • “But one of the soldiers pierced his side with a spear, and at once there came out blood and water”

                    •  (Romans 8:19, 22, RSV)
                    • “For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God… For we know that the whole creation has been groaning in travail together until now”

                      •  (Romans 8:18, RSV)
                      • “I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed in us”

                        •  (Isaiah 53:3–4, RSV)
                        • “He was despised and rejected by men;

                          a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief;
                          and as one from whom men hide their faces
                          he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

                           Surely he has borne our griefs

                          and carried our sorrows;
                          yet we esteemed him stricken,
                          smitten by God, and afflicted.

                          Catechism of the Catholic Church

                          Faith in God the Father Almighty can be put to the test by the experience of evil and suffering. God can sometimes seem to be absent and incapable of stopping evil. But in the most mysterious way God the Father has revealed his almighty power in the voluntary humiliation and Resurrection of his Son, by which he conquered evil. Christ crucified is thus “the power of God and the wisdom of God. For the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.”111 It is in Christ’s Resurrection and exaltation that the Father has shown forth “the immeasurable greatness of his power in us who believe” (CCC 272)

                          “The Church was born primarily of Christ’s total self-giving for our salvation, anticipated in the institution of the Eucharist and fulfilled on the cross. ‘The origin and growth of the Church are symbolized by the blood and water which flowed from the open side of the crucified Jesus.’” (CCC 766)

                          “Thus the Blessed Virgin advanced in her pilgrimage of faith and faithfully persevered in her union with her Son unto the Cross, where she stood, in keeping with the divine plan… enduring with her only begotten Son the intensity of his suffering.” (CCC 964)

                          “By his death, Christ liberates us from sin; by his Resurrection, he opens for us the way to a new life. This new life is above all justification… and it brings about filial adoption so that men become Christ’s brethren” (CCC 654).

                          “The desire for happiness is of divine origin: God has placed it in the human heart in order to draw man to himself, for he alone can fulfill it.” (CCC 1718)

                          “The cross is the unique sacrifice of Christ, the ‘one mediator between God and men’ (1 Tim 2:5). But because in his incarnate divine person he has in some way united himself to every man, the possibility of being made partners, in a way known to God, in the paschal mystery is offered to all men.” (CCC 618)

                          “By his passion and death on the cross Christ has given a new meaning to suffering: it can henceforth configure us to him and unite us with his redemptive Passion.” (CCC 1505)

                          Reflection Questions for Prayer
                          1. What stirs in your heart as you gaze upon the suffering face of Christ?
                          2. How does the image of Christ thirsting—physically and spiritually—deepen your understanding of His love?
                          3. In what ways might Christ be inviting you to remain with Him at the Cross, rather than look away?
                          4. Closing Prayer (inspired by the Eighth Shewing)

                            Lord Jesus Christ,

                            You chose the Cross out of love for every soul.
                            In Your suffering face, we see the depth of divine mercy.
                            In Your thirst, we hear the longing of Your Sacred Heart.

                            You were pierced, dried, and drained for our healing.

                            You remained, even unto death, so that we would never be alone.
                            You sorrowed for us—and even now, You suffer with us.

                            Give us the grace to remain near to You,

                            To see You not with fear, but with reverent love.
                            Let us not look away from Your Passion,
                            But receive it as the saving gift it is.

                            May Your wounds be our refuge,

                            Your thirst our call to prayer,
                            Your death our doorway to joy.

                            Amen.

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