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  • Thursday of the Thirteenth Week in Ordinary Time – A Time of Lectio Divina for the Discerning Heart Podcast

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    Thursday of the Thirteenth Week in Ordinary Time – A Time of Lectio Divina for the Discerning Heart Podcast

    As you begin, take a deep breath and exhale slowly.  For at least the next few moments, surrender all the cares and concerns of this day to the Lord.

    Say slowly from your heart “Jesus, I Trust In You…You Take Over”

    Become aware that He is with you, looking upon you with love, wanting to be heard deep within in your heart…

    From the Holy Gospel According to Matthew 9:1-8

    Jesus got in the boat, crossed the water and came to his own town. Then some people appeared, bringing him a paralytic stretched out on a bed. Seeing their faith, Jesus said to the paralytic, ‘Courage, my child, your sins are forgiven.’ And at this some scribes said to themselves, ‘This man is blaspheming.’ Knowing what was in their minds Jesus said, ‘Why do you have such wicked thoughts in your hearts? Now, which of these is easier to say, “Your sins are forgiven,” or to say, “Get up and walk”? But to prove to you that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins,’ – he said to the paralytic – ‘get up, and pick up your bed and go off home.’ And the man got up and went home. A feeling of awe came over the crowd when they saw this, and they praised God for giving such power to men.

    What word made this passage come alive for you?

    What did you sense the Lord saying to you?

    Once more give the Lord an opportunity to speak to you:

    Jesus got in the boat, crossed the water and came to his own town. Then some people appeared, bringing him a paralytic stretched out on a bed. Seeing their faith, Jesus said to the paralytic, ‘Courage, my child, your sins are forgiven.’ And at this some scribes said to themselves, ‘This man is blaspheming.’ Knowing what was in their minds Jesus said, ‘Why do you have such wicked thoughts in your hearts? Now, which of these is easier to say, “Your sins are forgiven,” or to say, “Get up and walk”? But to prove to you that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins,’ – he said to the paralytic – ‘get up, and pick up your bed and go off home.’ And the man got up and went home. A feeling of awe came over the crowd when they saw this, and they praised God for giving such power to men.

    What did your heart feel as you listened?

    What did you sense the Lord saying to you?

    Once more, through Him, with Him and in Him listen to the Word:

    Jesus got in the boat, crossed the water and came to his own town. Then some people appeared, bringing him a paralytic stretched out on a bed. Seeing their faith, Jesus said to the paralytic, ‘Courage, my child, your sins are forgiven.’ And at this some scribes said to themselves, ‘This man is blaspheming.’ Knowing what was in their minds Jesus said, ‘Why do you have such wicked thoughts in your hearts? Now, which of these is easier to say, “Your sins are forgiven,” or to say, “Get up and walk”? But to prove to you that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins,’ – he said to the paralytic – ‘get up, and pick up your bed and go off home.’ And the man got up and went home. A feeling of awe came over the crowd when they saw this, and they praised God for giving such power to men.

    What touched your heart in this time of prayer?

    What did your heart feel as you prayed?

    What do you hope to carry with you from this time with the Lord?

    Our Father, who art in heaven,

    hallowed be thy name.

    Thy kingdom come.

    Thy will be done on earth, as it is in heaven.

    Give us this day our daily bread,

    and forgive us our trespasses,

    as we forgive those who trespass against us,

    and lead us not into temptation,

     but deliver us from evil.

    Amen

    Excerpt from THE JERUSALEM BIBLE, copyright (c) 1966 by Darton, Longman & Todd, Ltd. and Doubleday, a division of Penguin Random House, Inc. Reprinted by Permission.

    The post Thursday of the Thirteenth Week in Ordinary Time – A Time of Lectio Divina for the Discerning Heart Podcast appeared first on Discerning Hearts Catholic Podcasts.

    11 min
  • IP#487 Stephen J. Binz – Saint Junipero Serra’s Camino on Inside the Pages with Kris McGregor – Discerning Hearts podcast


    Stephen J. Binz on  “Saint Junipero Serra’s Camino: A Pilgrimage Guide to the California Missions”

    Join Kris McGregor as she discusses the book “Saint Junipero Serra’s Camino” with Stephen J. Binz.

    You can find the book here.

    From the book description:

    “Travel Saint Junipero Serra’s Camino to the twenty-one California missions, stretching from San Diego to Sonoma, north of San Francisco Bay. This work presents the life and work of Saint Junipero Serra, and it challenges pilgrims to continue, in their own way, the forward journey that he began in the 1700s. This carefully researched narrative explores both the historical roots and the spiritual heritage of the missions and their inhabitants, creating an unforgettable and indispensable pilgrimage guide for those who want to experience the missions in person–or in an armchair at home. Each of the missions is a unique jewel and a spiritual oasis. Some are found wedged into cities; others are surrounded by mountains and valleys. They range from simple to ornate. The grounds are filled with bells, statues, fountains, and gardens, all symbols of life and feasts of color. Old Spanish mission art can be found next to Indian wall paintings. Symbols of piety from two centuries form a wonderful holy mix. Enhances with the author’s own photography, prayer experiences, and practical travel information for every missions station, this guidebook is a must-have for any pilgrim exploring America’s own pilgrim way, the Camino of St. Junipero Serra.”

    About the Author: Stephen J. Binz is a biblical scholar and an award-winning author of over sixty books. His writing focuses on biblical commentary, biblical theology, and Christian spirituality. As founder and author of Threshold Bible Study, he has written and published thirty studies for personal and group Bible study. His books are published by Ave Maria Press, Franciscan Media, Twenty-Third Publications, Liturgical Press, The Word Among Us, OSV Publications, Brazos Press/Baker Publications, Little Rock Scripture Study, Loyola Press, and Marian Press. Since 2008, his books have earned nine awards from the “Excellence in Publishing Awards” of the Association of Catholic Publishers and five book awards from the Catholic Press Association.

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    33 min
  • MH10 – Truth Shared, Not Possessed – Magnificent Humanity for the Discerning Heart – Discerning Hearts Podcasts

    Magnificent Humanity for the Discerning Heart
    A 30-Day Journey with Pope Leo XIV’s Magnifica Humanitas
    Episode 10: Truth Shared, Not Possessed

    In this episode of Magnificent Humanity for the Discerning Heart, we reflect on Pope Leo XIV’s teaching that truth is “a gift to be shared, not a possession to be monopolized.” The Holy Father reminds us that the Church’s Social Doctrine is not about domination, control, or cultural power. It is a service to communion, rooted in the Gospel and offered for the good of the human person.

    This reflection considers how even truth can be misused when it is separated from charity. In family life, ministry, parish conversations, and public debate, we may be tempted to use truth as a weapon, a shield, or a way to appear superior. Pope Leo XIV invites us to a different path: one marked by humility, patience, shared discernment, and trust in the slow work of grace.

    Through the light of Ephesians 4:15, this episode invites us to speak the truth in love. A discerning heart asks whether its words serve communion, whether correction is guided by charity, and whether truth is first allowed to judge and convert the heart before being offered to others.

    Citations

    Selection from Magnifica Humanitas

    Pope Leo XIV, Magnifica Humanitas, Introduction, nos. 25 and 27:

    “Understanding that the truth is a gift to be shared, not a possession to be monopolized, frees the Church from the temptation of seeking forms of presence based on power… What matters most is not occupying positions of power or defending cultural strongholds, but initiating good processes and enabling them to mature.”

    “Social Doctrine can be seen more authentically. It is not a handbook of principles and norms to be applied, but a process of shared discernment. It is born from the encounter between the eternal truth of the Gospel and the questions of history.”

    Ephesians 4:15, RSV–Catholic Edition

    “Speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in every way into him who is the head, into Christ.”

    Discerning Hearts Reflection Questions
    1. Where am I tempted to use truth as a weapon, a shield, or a way to appear superior?
    2. How can I speak truth more clearly, humbly, and lovingly in a difficult conversation?
    3. Where do I need patience, rather than control, as grace begins its slower work?
    4. Before I correct, respond, or post, do I ask whether my words will serve communion?
    5. How is the Holy Spirit inviting me to receive truth as a gift that first converts my own heart?
    6. For other episodes in this series, visit
      Magnificent Humanity for the Discerning Heart with Kris McGregor
      To read the full text of Pope Leo XIV’s Magnifica Humanitas, visit Vatican.va 

      Copyright © 2026 Kris McGregor. All rights reserved. No portion of this content may be reproduced, distributed, published, or transmitted in any form, including audio, print, or digital media, without prior written permission from Discerning Hearts®.

      The post MH10 – Truth Shared, Not Possessed – Magnificent Humanity for the Discerning Heart – Discerning Hearts Podcasts appeared first on Discerning Hearts Catholic Podcasts.

      10 min
    7. Wednesday of the Thirteenth Week in Ordinary Time – A Time of Lectio Divina for the Discerning Heart Podcast


      Wednesday of the Thirteenth Week in Ordinary Time – A Time of Lectio Divina for the Discerning Heart Podcast

      As you begin, take a deep breath and exhale slowly.  For at least the next few moments, surrender all the cares and concerns of this day to the Lord.

      Say slowly from your heart “Jesus, I Trust In You…You Take Over”

      Become aware that He is with you, looking upon you with love, wanting to be heard deep within in your heart…

      From the Holy Gospel According to St. Matthew 8:28-34

      When Jesus reached the country of the Gadarenes on the other side of the lake, two demoniacs came towards him out of the tombs – creatures so fierce that no one could pass that way. They stood there shouting, ‘What do you want with us, Son of God? Have you come here to torture us before the time?’ Now some distance away there was a large herd of pigs feeding, and the devils pleaded with Jesus, ‘If you cast us out, send us into the herd of pigs.’ And he said to them, ‘Go then’, and they came out and made for the pigs; and at that the whole herd charged down the cliff into the lake and perished in the water. The swineherds ran off and made for the town, where they told the whole story, including what had happened to the demoniacs. At this the whole town set out to meet Jesus; and as soon as they saw him they implored him to leave the neighbourhood.

      What word made this passage come alive for you?

      What did you sense the Lord saying to you?

      Once more give the Lord an opportunity to speak to you:

      When Jesus reached the country of the Gadarenes on the other side of the lake, two demoniacs came towards him out of the tombs – creatures so fierce that no one could pass that way. They stood there shouting, ‘What do you want with us, Son of God? Have you come here to torture us before the time?’ Now some distance away there was a large herd of pigs feeding, and the devils pleaded with Jesus, ‘If you cast us out, send us into the herd of pigs.’ And he said to them, ‘Go then’, and they came out and made for the pigs; and at that the whole herd charged down the cliff into the lake and perished in the water. The swineherds ran off and made for the town, where they told the whole story, including what had happened to the demoniacs. At this the whole town set out to meet Jesus; and as soon as they saw him they implored him to leave the neighbourhood.

      What did your heart feel as you listened?

      What did you sense the Lord saying to you?

      Once more, through Him, with Him and in Him listen to the Word:

      When Jesus reached the country of the Gadarenes on the other side of the lake, two demoniacs came towards him out of the tombs – creatures so fierce that no one could pass that way. They stood there shouting, ‘What do you want with us, Son of God? Have you come here to torture us before the time?’ Now some distance away there was a large herd of pigs feeding, and the devils pleaded with Jesus, ‘If you cast us out, send us into the herd of pigs.’ And he said to them, ‘Go then’, and they came out and made for the pigs; and at that the whole herd charged down the cliff into the lake and perished in the water. The swineherds ran off and made for the town, where they told the whole story, including what had happened to the demoniacs. At this the whole town set out to meet Jesus; and as soon as they saw him they implored him to leave the neighbourhood.

      What touched your heart in this time of prayer?

      What did your heart feel as you prayed?

      What do you hope to carry with you from this time with the Lord?

      Our Father, who art in heaven,

      hallowed be thy name.

      Thy kingdom come.

      Thy will be done on earth, as it is in heaven.

      Give us this day our daily bread,

      and forgive us our trespasses,

      as we forgive those who trespass against us,

      and lead us not into temptation,

       but deliver us from evil.

      Amen

      Excerpt from THE JERUSALEM BIBLE, copyright (c) 1966 by Darton, Longman & Todd, Ltd. and Doubleday, a division of Penguin Random House, Inc. Reprinted by Permission.

      The post Wednesday of the Thirteenth Week in Ordinary Time – A Time of Lectio Divina for the Discerning Heart Podcast appeared first on Discerning Hearts Catholic Podcasts.

      9 min
    8. MH9 – Listening to the Voices of Our Time – Magnificent Humanity for the Discerning Heart – Discerning Hearts Podcasts

      Magnificent Humanity for the Discerning Heart
      A 30-Day Journey with Pope Leo XIV’s Magnifica Humanitas
      Episode 9: Listening to the Voices of Our Time

      In this episode of Magnificent Humanity for the Discerning Heart, we enter Chapter One of Pope Leo XIV’s Magnifica Humanitas. The Holy Father reminds us that the Church is present in the world as “a sign of unity for the entire human family.” She does not stand apart from the struggles of humanity, but walks with the human family through listening, dialogue, and service.

      This reflection considers why the Church speaks about technology, work, economics, family life, communication, politics, war, and peace. These concerns are not separate from the Gospel. They are the real places where people live, suffer, hope, choose, and search for meaning. The Church brings the light of Christ into these concrete realities because human dignity is always at stake.

      Through the light of Ephesians 2:17, this episode invites us to become signs of Christ’s peace in the world. A discerning heart listens before speaking, seeks communion before reaction, and serves the person before trying to control the outcome. Christ entered history and drew near to humanity. His Church, and each of His disciples, is called to carry that same nearness into the wounds, questions, and hopes of the human family.

      Citations

      Selection from Magnifica Humanitas

      Pope Leo XIV, Magnifica Humanitas, Introduction, nos. 19:

      “Gaudium et Spes reminds us that ‘it is the task of the whole People of God, particularly of its pastors and theologians, to listen to and distinguish the many voices of our times and to interpret them in the light of God’s word, in order that the revealed Truth may be more deeply penetrated, better understood and more suitably presented.’ Listening to the ‘many voices’ is no mere sociological exercise, but instead requires spiritual discernment. Guided by the Spirit, the People of God come to recognize in cultural and social transformations both the signs of the presence of Christ, who comes and guides history toward its fulfilment, and those aberrations that obscure his face.”

      Ephesians 2:17, RSV–Catholic Edition

      “Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are of God.”

      Discerning Hearts Reflection Questions
      1. What voices have been shaping my heart, my thoughts, and my reactions?
      2. Where have I reacted quickly before testing what I heard in the light of Christ?
      3. Does the voice I am listening to lead me toward faith, hope, charity, and peace?
      4. Where do I need the Holy Spirit to help me distinguish truth from fear, confusion, or contempt?
      5. What voice, habit, or repeated thought should I bring before the Lord today for discernment and healing?
      6. For other episodes in this series, visit
        Magnificent Humanity for the Discerning Heart with Kris McGregor
        To read the full text of Pope Leo XIV’s Magnifica Humanitas, visit Vatican.va 

        Copyright © 2026 Kris McGregor. All rights reserved. No portion of this content may be reproduced, distributed, published, or transmitted in any form, including audio, print, or digital media, without prior written permission from Discerning Hearts®.

        The post MH9 – Listening to the Voices of Our Time – Magnificent Humanity for the Discerning Heart – Discerning Hearts Podcasts appeared first on Discerning Hearts Catholic Podcasts.

        11 min
      7. Tuesday of the Thirteenth Week in Ordinary Time – A Time of Lectio Divina for the Discerning Heart Podcast

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        Tuesday of the Thirteenth Week in Ordinary Time – A Time of Lectio Divina for the Discerning Heart Podcast

        As you begin, take a deep breath and exhale slowly.  For at least the next few moments, surrender all the cares and concerns of this day to the Lord.

        Say slowly from your heart “Jesus, I Trust In You…You Take Over”

        Become aware that He is with you, looking upon you with love, wanting to be heard deep within in your heart…

        From the Holy Gospel According to Matthew 8:23-27

        Jesus got into the boat followed by his disciples. Without warning a storm broke over the lake, so violent that the waves were breaking right over the boat. But he was asleep. So they went to him and woke him saying, ‘Save us, Lord, we are going down!’ And he said to them, ‘Why are you so frightened, you men of little faith?’ And with that he stood up and rebuked the winds and the sea; and all was calm again. The men were astounded and said, ‘Whatever kind of man is this? Even the winds and the sea obey him.’

        What word made this passage come alive for you?

        What did you sense the Lord saying to you?

        Once more give the Lord an opportunity to speak to you:

        Jesus got into the boat followed by his disciples. Without warning a storm broke over the lake, so violent that the waves were breaking right over the boat. But he was asleep. So they went to him and woke him saying, ‘Save us, Lord, we are going down!’ And he said to them, ‘Why are you so frightened, you men of little faith?’ And with that he stood up and rebuked the winds and the sea; and all was calm again. The men were astounded and said, ‘Whatever kind of man is this? Even the winds and the sea obey him.’

        What did your heart feel as you listened?

        What did you sense the Lord saying to you?

        Once more, through Him, with Him and in Him listen to the Word:

        Jesus got into the boat followed by his disciples. Without warning a storm broke over the lake, so violent that the waves were breaking right over the boat. But he was asleep. So they went to him and woke him saying, ‘Save us, Lord, we are going down!’ And he said to them, ‘Why are you so frightened, you men of little faith?’ And with that he stood up and rebuked the winds and the sea; and all was calm again. The men were astounded and said, ‘Whatever kind of man is this? Even the winds and the sea obey him.’

        What touched your heart in this time of prayer?

        What did your heart feel as you prayed?

        What do you hope to carry with you from this time with the Lord?

        Our Father, who art in heaven,

        hallowed be thy name.

        Thy kingdom come.

        Thy will be done on earth, as it is in heaven.

        Give us this day our daily bread,

        and forgive us our trespasses,

        as we forgive those who trespass against us,

        and lead us not into temptation,

         but deliver us from evil.

        Amen

        Excerpt from THE JERUSALEM BIBLE, copyright (c) 1966 by Darton, Longman & Todd, Ltd. and Doubleday, a division of Penguin Random House, Inc. Reprinted by Permission.

        The post Tuesday of the Thirteenth Week in Ordinary Time – A Time of Lectio Divina for the Discerning Heart Podcast appeared first on Discerning Hearts Catholic Podcasts.

        10 min
      8. MH8 – The Church Walks with Humanity – Magnificent Humanity for the Discerning Heart – Discerning Hearts Podcasts


        Magnificent Humanity for the Discerning Heart
        A 30-Day Journey with Pope Leo XIV’s Magnifica Humanitas
        Episode 8: The Church Walks with Humanity

        In this episode of Magnificent Humanity for the Discerning Heart, we enter Chapter One of Pope Leo XIV’s Magnifica Humanitas. The Holy Father reminds us that the Church is present in the world as “a sign of unity for the entire human family.” She does not stand apart from the struggles of humanity, but walks with the human family through listening, dialogue, and service.

        This reflection considers why the Church speaks about technology, work, economics, family life, communication, politics, war, and peace. These concerns are not separate from the Gospel. They are the real places where people live, suffer, hope, choose, and search for meaning. The Church brings the light of Christ into these concrete realities because human dignity is always at stake.

        Through the light of Ephesians 2:17, this episode invites us to become signs of Christ’s peace in the world. A discerning heart listens before speaking, seeks communion before reaction, and serves the person before trying to control the outcome. Christ entered history and drew near to humanity. His Church, and each of His disciples, is called to carry that same nearness into the wounds, questions, and hopes of the human family.

        Citations

        Selection from Magnifica Humanitas

        Pope Leo XIV, Magnifica Humanitas, Introduction, nos. 15:

        “The Church is present in the world as a sign of unity for the entire human family. She recognizes today’s questions and challenges as the current setting in which to carry out her particular vocation of listening, dialogue and service, and of being responsive to everything concerning the lives of contemporary men and women.”

        Ephesians 2:17, RSV–Catholic Edition

        “And he came and preached peace to you who were far off and peace to those who were near”

        Discerning Hearts Reflection Questions
        1. Where is the Lord inviting me to listen more deeply before I speak?
        2. Do others experience my presence as a sign of unity, peace, and charity?
        3. Where am I tempted to withdraw in fear, react in anger, or dismiss someone before understanding them?
        4. How can I bring the light of Christ into the concrete struggles of daily life?
        5. What conversation today is asking me to listen with patience, speak with truth, and serve with love?
        6. For other episodes in this series, visit
          Magnificent Humanity for the Discerning Heart with Kris McGregor
          To read the full text of Pope Leo XIV’s Magnifica Humanitas, visit Vatican.va 

          Copyright © 2026 Kris McGregor. All rights reserved. No portion of this content may be reproduced, distributed, published, or transmitted in any form, including audio, print, or digital media, without prior written permission from Discerning Hearts®.

          The post MH8 – The Church Walks with Humanity – Magnificent Humanity for the Discerning Heart – Discerning Hearts Podcasts appeared first on Discerning Hearts Catholic Podcasts.

          9 min
        7. Solemnity of Saints Peter and Paul, Apostles – A Time of Lectio Divina for the Discerning Heart Podcast
          Solemnity of Saints Peter and Paul, Apostles – A Time of Lectio Divina for the Discerning Heart Podcast

          As you begin, take a deep breath and exhale slowly.  For at least the next few moments, surrender all the cares and concerns of this day to the Lord.

          Say slowly from your heart “Jesus, I Trust In You…You Take Over”

          Become aware that He is with you, looking upon you with love, wanting to be heard deep within in your heart…

          From the Holy Gospel According to St. Matthew 16:13-19

          When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi he put this question to his disciples, ‘Who do people say the Son of Man is?’ And they said, ‘Some say he is John the Baptist, some Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.’ ‘But you,’ he said ‘who do you say I am?’ Then Simon Peter spoke up, ‘You are the Christ,’ he said ‘the Son of the living God.’ Jesus replied, ‘Simon son of Jonah, you are a happy man! Because it was not flesh and blood that revealed this to you but my Father in heaven. So I now say to you: You are Peter and on this rock I will build my Church. And the gates of the underworld can never hold out against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven: whatever you bind on earth shall be considered bound in heaven; whatever you loose on earth shall be considered loosed in heaven.

          What word made this passage come alive for you?

          What did you sense the Lord saying to you?

          Once more give the Lord an opportunity to speak to you:

          When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi he put this question to his disciples, ‘Who do people say the Son of Man is?’ And they said, ‘Some say he is John the Baptist, some Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.’ ‘But you,’ he said ‘who do you say I am?’ Then Simon Peter spoke up, ‘You are the Christ,’ he said ‘the Son of the living God.’ Jesus replied, ‘Simon son of Jonah, you are a happy man! Because it was not flesh and blood that revealed this to you but my Father in heaven. So I now say to you: You are Peter and on this rock I will build my Church. And the gates of the underworld can never hold out against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven: whatever you bind on earth shall be considered bound in heaven; whatever you loose on earth shall be considered loosed in heaven.

          What did your heart feel as you listened?

          What did you sense the Lord saying to you?

          Once more, through Him, with Him and in Him listen to the Word:

          When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi he put this question to his disciples, ‘Who do people say the Son of Man is?’ And they said, ‘Some say he is John the Baptist, some Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.’ ‘But you,’ he said ‘who do you say I am?’ Then Simon Peter spoke up, ‘You are the Christ,’ he said ‘the Son of the living God.’ Jesus replied, ‘Simon son of Jonah, you are a happy man! Because it was not flesh and blood that revealed this to you but my Father in heaven. So I now say to you: You are Peter and on this rock I will build my Church. And the gates of the underworld can never hold out against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven: whatever you bind on earth shall be considered bound in heaven; whatever you loose on earth shall be considered loosed in heaven.

          What touched your heart in this time of prayer?

          What did your heart feel as you prayed?

          What do you hope to carry with you from this time with the Lord?

          Our Father, who art in heaven,

          hallowed be thy name.

          Thy kingdom come.

          Thy will be done on earth, as it is in heaven.

          Give us this day our daily bread,

          and forgive us our trespasses,

          as we forgive those who trespass against us,

          and lead us not into temptation,

           but deliver us from evil.

          Amen

          Excerpt from THE JERUSALEM BIBLE, copyright (c) 1966 by Darton, Longman & Todd, Ltd. and Doubleday, a division of Penguin Random House, Inc. Reprinted by Permission.

          The post Solemnity of Saints Peter and Paul, Apostles – A Time of Lectio Divina for the Discerning Heart Podcast appeared first on Discerning Hearts Catholic Podcasts.

          11 min
        8. The Fourth Rule – Discernment of Spirits w/ Fr. Timothy Gallagher – Discerning Hearts Podcasts
          The 14 Rules for the Discernment of Spirits – The First Week Rules as formulated by St. Ignatius of Loyola, Fr. Timothy Gallagher with Kris McGregor
          Episode Six: Rule Four – Understanding Spiritual Desolation

          Episode 6 -The Fourth Rule:

          Of Spiritual Desolation. I call desolation all the contrary of the third rule, such as darkness of soul, disturbance in it, movement to things low and earthly, the unquiet of different agitations and temptations, moving to want of confidence, without hope, without love, when one finds oneself all lazy, tepid, sad, and as if separated from his Creator and Lord.

          Because, as consolation is contrary to desolation, in the same way the thoughts which come from consolation are contrary to the thoughts which come from desolation.

          Episode Six of The Discernment of Spirits: Setting the Captives Free turns to Rule Four, which addresses the experience St. Ignatius of Loyola calls spiritual desolation. Fr. Timothy Gallagher, in conversation with Kris McGregor, explains why this rule is one of the most valuable and practical teachings in Ignatian discernment.

          Fr. Gallagher begins by naming spiritual desolation as the direct opposite of spiritual consolation. Where consolation lifts the heart, desolation weighs it down. Ignatius describes it through lived experience rather than abstract definition. Spiritual desolation includes darkness of soul, interior disturbance, confusion, sadness, and a loss of confidence, hope, and love. The heart feels heavy. God feels distant. Prayer feels empty.

          To make this concrete, Fr. Gallagher shares the story of Alice. She is a woman who loves the Lord and has served faithfully in her parish for years. After moving to a new town, she struggles to connect in her new parish. Over time, discouragement grows. In prayer, she feels abandoned by God. Though she remains faithful, everything feels hopeless and meaningless. This lived experience captures what Ignatius means by spiritual desolation.

          Fr. Gallagher carefully distinguishes spiritual desolation from non-spiritual desolation. Non-spiritual desolation may arise from physical exhaustion, emotional strain, anxiety, or depression. These experiences are part of ordinary human life. Yet Ignatius warns that when non-spiritual desolation becomes excessive or prolonged, it easily spills into the spiritual life. Fatigue, imbalance, and emotional heaviness can weaken prayer and openness to grace.

          Because of this, Fr. Gallagher stresses the importance of wise care for the whole person. Attention to rest, balance, and physical well-being often resolves struggles that appear spiritual. He recalls the wisdom of St. Teresa of Avila, who once advised a sister struggling in prayer to sleep more. Caring for the human dimension strengthens the spiritual life.

          Ignatius then describes the specific signs of spiritual desolation. These include confusion, anxiety, a pull toward lower and earthly distractions, and a desire to abandon prayer and spiritual practices. Activities once loved become burdensome. The heart feels slothful, tepid, and sad. Above all, the person feels as if separated from God. Fr. Gallagher highlights Ignatius’s careful wording. God is not absent. The feeling of abandonment is real, but it is not true.

          This sense of isolation is the deepest lie of spiritual desolation. The enemy seeks to convince the heart that it is alone and powerless. Fr. Gallagher explains that recognizing this lie is the beginning of freedom. No saint has been spared from such experiences. Growth comes not from avoiding desolation, but from understanding it and responding wisely.

          Fr. Gallagher clarifies an important distinction. Spiritual desolation is not the same as the dark night described by St. John of the Cross. The dark night is a purifying work of God in prayer and must be accepted with trust. Spiritual desolation, by contrast, is always a work of the enemy. God never gives spiritual desolation. He permits it. Therefore, the correct response is always to reject it.

          The episode concludes by returning to Ignatius’s central teaching. The thoughts that arise in consolation and desolation are always contrary. When discouraging thoughts arise in desolation, they must not be trusted. When they are recognized and rejected, the heart regains freedom. Discernment restores hope. Captives are set free.

          Discerning Hearts Questions for Reflection and Study
          Personal Reflection
          1. Can you recognize times when discouragement affected your prayer or desire to serve?

          2. How do you experience heaviness of heart in your relationship with God?

          3. Are there non-spiritual factors that may influence your spiritual life right now?

          4. Have you noticed a pull toward distractions during difficult moments of prayer?

          5. How does knowing that desolation is a lie change the way you respond to it?

            Group Reflection or Study
            1. Why does Ignatius consider teaching on spiritual desolation so important?

            2. How does the story of Alice help clarify Rule Four?

            3. Why is it important to distinguish spiritual from non-spiritual desolation?

            4. What dangers arise when decisions are made during times of desolation?

            5. How does this rule bring hope to those facing discouragement in parish life?

               The 14 Rules for Discerning Spirits –

              “The Different Movements Which Are Caused In The Soul” as outlined by St. Ignatius of Loyola click here

               For the other episodes in this series visit Fr. Timothy Gallagher’s “Discerning Hearts”click here

              Father Timothy M. Gallagher, O.M.V., was ordained in 1979 as a member of the Oblates of the Virgin Mary, a religious community dedicated to retreats and spiritual formation according to the Spiritual Exercises of St. Ignatius.  Fr. Gallagher is featured on the EWTN series “Living the Discerning Life:  The Spiritual Teachings of St. Ignatius of Loyola”

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            6. SH7 – The Sacred Heart and Abandonment – Building a Kingdom of Love with Msgr. John Esseff – Discerning Hearts Podcast


              The Sacred Heart and Abandonment- Building a Kingdom of Love with Msgr. John Esseff

              Msgr. John Esseff discusses the profound devotion to the Sacred Heart of Jesus, particularly for priests. He shares the story of a devoted priest who promoted this devotion and received the grace to touch the most hardened hearts. Despite his dedication, the priest ended up abandoned and forgotten in a refugee camp, experiencing profound suffering. Esseff reflects on how this priest’s experience mirrors Jesus’ own abandonment on the cross and highlights the spiritual union with Christ through suffering.

              The Sacred Heart promises not only the ability to touch hardened hearts but also eternal salvation and union with Jesus. He addresses various forms of suffering, illustrating that true devotion to the Sacred Heart involves sharing in Christ’s suffering. He recounts a poignant encounter with a devoted priest in a refugee camp, noting how this experience deepened his own priesthood.

              Discerning Hearts Reflection Questions
              1. Reflect on Devotion to the Sacred Heart: How does your personal devotion to the Sacred Heart of Jesus manifest in your daily life and ministry?
              2. Suffering and Union with Christ: In what ways can you see your own sufferings as a participation in Christ’s sufferings on the cross?
              3. Spiritual Gifts and Their Purpose: How do you use the spiritual gifts you have received for the benefit of others, and do you also seek the personal graces God wants to give you?
              4. Perseverance in Faith Amid Abandonment: Have you ever felt abandoned in your faith journey, and how did you find comfort in the promises of Jesus?
              5. Living the Paschal Mystery: How do you embrace the Paschal Mystery in your life, particularly in moments of persecution or suffering?
              6. Understanding True Blessings: How do you differentiate between temporal and spiritual blessings, and which do you find yourself seeking more?
              7. Role of the Cross in Blessings: In what ways can you see the cross not just as a symbol of suffering, but as a sign of love and blessing in your life?
              8. Support for the Abandoned and Forgotten: How can you offer support and companionship to those who feel abandoned or forgotten, following the example of the priest in the refugee camp?
              9. Msgr. John A. Esseff is a Roman Catholic priest in the Diocese of Scranton. He was ordained on May 30, 1953, by the late Bishop William J. Hafey, D.D. at St. Peter’s Cathedral in Scranton, PA. Msgr. Esseff served a retreat director and confessor to St. Teresa of Calcutta. He continues to offer direction and retreats for the sisters of the Missionaries of Charity around the world. Msgr. Esseff encountered St. Padre Pio, who would become a spiritual father to him. He has lived in areas around the world, serving in the Pontifical Missions, a Catholic organization established by St. Pope John Paul II to bring the Good News to the world especially to the poor. Msgr. Esseff assisted the founders of the Institute for Priestly Formation and serves as a spiritual director for the Institute. He continues to serve as a retreat leader and director to bishops, priests and sisters and seminarians and other religious leaders around the world.

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