In which one of us explains how she got on Facebook, why she quit the first time, why she joined again, and why she quit a second time, along with every single other social media account she has.

In which we discuss the appalling lack of security on all things internet, and how you should pretty much assume everything you've ever shared or stored online will sooner or later get hacked and leaked.

In which one of us relates how his enthusiasm for all things online set him up for a very non-secure, non-private cyber presence, and the other of us for once gets some validation for her reluctance to download every app and sign up for every service.

Introducing a new podcast in which two people begin the long confusing process of disentangling themselves from all the ways the internet invades our privacy and steals our data.