Back in 2020, the then junior minister for education, Gillian Keegan, joined us in the Den to talk about her fascinating career journey (she started as an apprentice in Kirkby, a town on the outskirts of Liverpool), her transition into politics, and her passion for improving skills, education, and training in our country. She is now the education minister – and she’ll be one of the keynote speakers at DIBs ‘Change Makers Live’ conference on 2nd March 2023 in Liverpool. Have a listen to what Gillian had to say to us almost three years ago when she was a member of Boris Johnson’s government. Whatever your politics, we think you’ll be impressed.