America is experiencing a secondary surge of covid-19 infections unlike anywhere else in the world. Host Anne McElvoy, and The Economist's US editor John Prideaux, ask the director of the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention how the country can regain control of its epidemic. When one in five Americans report they would refuse to get vaccinated, how big a threat do anti-vaxxers pose to public health? And, when will it be safe to reopen schools?

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