In this special 50th episode of The Edu Salon podcast, Deborah Netolicky hosts a collaboration between The Edu Salon and EdLeaders Australia podcasts. Mathew Irving co-host of EdLeaders, joins Deb in a broad ranging and candid conversation about school principalship, leadership, transitions, finding professional nourishment and sustaining wellbeing.

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- EdLeaders Australia podcast https://www.edleaders.com.au/podcast

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- Deb: @theeeduflaneuse on Instagram

- The Edu Salon: @theedusalon on Instagram

Deborah Netolicky talks with Dr Paul Teys about principalship and the realities of leading in a school. Paul spent 36 years in middle and executive leadership roles in Australian independent schools, including 24 years as Principal across diverse schools in three states. Paul now coaches and mentors school principals and works in executive leadership recruitment as an Associate of Slade Group. Paul is author of ‘Now You Are A Principal’ and ‘So You Want To Be A Principal’.

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- paulteys.com

- https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/applied-school-leadership/id1688134224

- https://ambapress.com.au/products/so-you-want-to-be-a-principal

- https://ambapress.com.au/products/now-you-are-a-principal?srsltid=AfmBOoqXrqeYDMxjV2q1PZd9-O1Z8Iio8mskQXVcaHwXjJQCbO9-BP3e

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- Deb: @theeeduflaneuse on Instagram

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Deborah Netolicky talks with Dr Fiona Longmuir. Fiona is a Senior Lecturer in Educational Leadership in the Faculty of Education at Monash University. She is also co-leader of the Education Workforce for the Future Research Impact Lab. Her most recent projects have focused on examining working conditions for educators. In other research Fiona has investigated interactions of school and system leadership with student engagement and agency; the emotional labour of school leadership; leading schools through crises; and, leading for social cohesion and social justice. She publishes on topics of leading schools in complex contexts, teachers working conditions and teacher retention, accountability, policy enactment and student agency in school change. Fiona teaches in the Master of Educational Leadership in units focused on social justice and leading educational change and contributes to leadership programs for international school and system leaders. She previously worked for over 15 years for the Victorian Department of Education and Training as a primary school teacher, curriculum and school leader, and leader of school networks. Fiona is a Victorian Fellow of the Australian Council of Educational Leaders.

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- https://www.monash.edu/education/research/education-workforce-lab

- https://www.monash.edu/education/research/projects/what-the-teaching-profession-needs-now-for-the-future

- https://www.monash.edu/perceptions-of-teaching/report2022

- https://www.monash.edu/education/research/projects/school-principals-emotional-labour-in-volatile-times

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- Deb: @theeeduflaneuse on Instagram

- The Edu Salon: @theedusalon on Instagram

Deborah Netolicky talks with Matthew Esterman about the role of AI in education, including its possibilities, limits, impact on student learning and potential to reduce teachers’ workloads. Matthew has held a number of teaching and leadership roles in schools, most recently as Director of Innovation and Partnerships at Our Lady of Mercy College Parramatta. He is currently Adjunct Fellow at Western Sydney University, and founder and director of The Next Word consultancy which focuses on training, support and strategy for schools and other organisations to take their use of AI to the next level.

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- https://nextwordnow.com/

- https://ambapress.com.au/products/the-next-word?srsltid=AfmBOooYX4TwfzLicbMGedQgQUQnANQ7jHFfyJNTmFNuxhzBvVxWsUYV

- https://www.oneusefulthing.org/

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- Deb: @theeeduflaneuse on Instagram

- Matt: @mattesterman on Instagram and @mesterman on X

- The Edu Salon: @theedusalon on Instagram

Deborah Netolicky talks with Kylie Bice about how ‘differentiation’ means designing responsive teaching and learning to students’ diverse needs. Kylie (BA, DipEd, MEd) is an experienced and award-winning teacher and scholar, and now Director and Education Consultant with Growing Up Greatness. Kylie specialises in gifted education, differentiation, assessment, disability and educating diverse student groups. Kylie was previously the Senior Inclusive and Gifted Education Consultant at the Association of Independent Schools of WA (AISWA), and has many years of experience working with diverse students in government and non-government schools in Western Australia, including students with learning difficulties, disability, gifted and talented and twice exceptional. Kylie has delivered professional learning to a range of audiences, schools, national and international conferences.

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- www.growingupgreatness.com

- https://www.growingupgreatness.com/posts/2019/3/4/articulating-differentiated-practicewhat-i-see-in-a-differentiated-classroom

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- Deb: @theeeduflaneuse on Instagram

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Deborah Netolicky talks with Karen Spiller OAM CF about leadership and governance in schools. For 23 years, Karen was Principal of two schools in Queensland: St Aidan’s Anglican Girls’ School and John Paul College. She has also been the Chair of the national bodies the Association of Heads of Independent Schools, Australia and the Alliance of Girls Schools, Australasia. Karen was a member of the Board of Independent Schools Australia and Yalari and was Chair of The Board of Independent Schools Queensland for six years. Karen was a member of the St Laurence’s College Board for five years and is now a member of the Sisters of the Sacred Advent Trust - the governing body that oversees St Aidan’s and St Margaret’s Anglican Girls’ Schools. She is also a member of the International Coalition of Girls’ Schools Australia Commission and remains a member of QUT Council as well as a member of the Finance and Planning subcommittee of the Council. Karen holds an MBA, a Masters of Educational Administration and is a Fellow of AICD and ACEL.

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- https://au.linkedin.com/in/karen-spiller-oam-cf-a4559a21

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- Deb: @theeeduflaneuse on Instagram

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Deborah Netolicky talks with Dr Barbara Watterston about leading and leadership in education, including mentoring, coaching, professional companioning and sponsoring. Barb is CEO of the Australian Council for Educational Leaders (ACEL) and has held several school and system leadership positions across Australia. She is an Honorary Fellow of the University of Melbourne Faculty of Education and a National Fellow of ACEL. Her expertise is regularly sought out to contribute in an advisory capacity as a member of numerous university, departmental, school, and professional boards. She is author of the report 'Insights: Environmental Scan Principal Preparation Programs' and the award-winning book 'Step In, Step Up: Empowering women for the school leadership journey'.

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- https://www.acel.org.au/ACEL/ACELWEB/About/ACEL_CEO.aspx

- https://www.aitsl.edu.au/docs/default-source/default-document-library/environmental-scan-principal-preparation-programs-(screen).pdf?sfvrsn=ecaaec3c_0

- https://www.google.com.au/books/edition/Middle_Leadership_in_Schools/3hbxEAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0

- https://www.amazon.com.au/Step-Empowering-Leadership-Educational-Development/dp/1943874301

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- Deb: @theeeduflaneuse on Instagram

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Deborah Netolicky talks with Associate Professor Glenn Savage about education policy and practice, and the future of schooling. Glenn is a policy sociologist, leading researcher and public commentator on education policy and reform. He is Associate Professor of Education Futures in the Faculty of Education at the University of Melbourne and author of the book ‘The Quest for Revolution in Australian Schooling Policy’. Glenn has extensive large-scale research experience, including being awarded three Australian Research Council projects as Lead Investigator, including a current ARC Discovery Grant that is examining ways to improve collaboration and co-design between government agencies in the development of national schooling reforms.

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- https://findanexpert.unimelb.edu.au/profile/197905-glenn-savage

- https://www.routledge.com/Flip-the-System-Australia-What-Matters-in-Education/Netolicky-Andrews-Paterson/p/book/9781138367869?srsltid=AfmBOorekb8aKZUz9paUFnDbuswcaCEeZFVtKJNc8LVBARpDh1X5YGVi

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- Glenn: @glenncsavage on X

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Deborah Netolicky talks with Dr Claire Golledge about school leadership, education research, aboriginal education and culturally nourishing schooling. Claire is a Lecturer in Education at the University of Sydney, the co-ordinator of - Secondary Human Society and its Environment Curriculum - in the Sydney School of Education and Social Work, and a Researcher for the Culturally Nourishing Schooling project. Prior to taking up her position at the University, Claire led pedagogy, teacher learning, and innovation at independent Sydney schools.

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- https://www.culturallynourishingschooling.org.au/

- https://doi.org/10.1007/s41297-024-00239-w

- https://doi.org/10.1002/curj.252

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- Claire: @dr_golledge on X

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Deborah Netolicky talks with Professor Yong Zhao about teaching, curriculum, schooling, educational leadership, and schools within schools. Yong is a Foundation Distinguished Professor in the School of Education at the University of Kansas and a professor in Educational Leadership at the Melbourne Graduate School of Education in Australia. He previously served as the Presidential Chair, Associate Dean, and Director of the Institute for Global and Online Education in the College of Education, University of Oregon, where he was also a Professor in the Department of Educational Measurement, Policy, and Leadership. Prior to Oregon, Yong Zhao was University Distinguished Professor at the College of Education, Michigan State University, where he also served as the founding director of the Center for Teaching and Technology, executive director of the Confucius Institute, as well as the US-China Center for Research on Educational Excellence. He is an elected member of the National Academy of Education and a fellow of the International Academy of Education. Yong has received numerous awards for his work on the implications of globalisation and technology on education. He has published over 100 articles and 30 books.

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- https://zhaolearning.com/

- https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/20965311241265124

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- Yong: @yongzhaoed on X

- Deb: @debsnet on X and @theeeduflaneuse on Instagram.

- The Edu Salon: @theedusalon on X and Instagram.