In this episode, Jordan talks with Leland Brown about his new book 'The First Pastors'. They explore the historical context of pastoral ministry in the early church, the evolution of pastoral roles, and the significance of virtue and gentleness in leadership. Leland shares insights from his research on early church figures and the importance of ecclesiological structures, while also addressing the challenges faced by modern pastors.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to the Podcast and Guest

01:52 Leland Brown's Background and Church Role

02:47 Inspiration Behind 'The First Pastors' Book

06:07 Understanding Pastoral Terminology in Early Church

09:28 Development of the Term 'Pastor' Over Time

11:05 Influential Figures in Early Pastoral Leadership

13:29 Critique of Gregory the Great's Influence

15:03 Ecclesiological Structures in Early Christianity

17:32 The Role of Plurality in Church Leadership

19:08 Gentleness and Authority in Pastoral Ministry

23:19 Cyril of Alexandria as a Counterexample

25:55 Distinguishing Humility and Gentleness

27:02 Scripture vs. Tradition in Early Pastoral Understanding

29:49 Key Insights for Modern Pastoral Ministry

32:17 The Importance of Suffering in Pastoral Leadership

34:03 Authority and Membership in the Church

34:56 Advice for Publishing a Dissertation

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