John Sullivan is a lifelong upland bird hunter with nearly 40 years of Chukar hunting experience and training bird dogs.  John also happens to be one of Travis Frank’s biggest critics.  John explains why he calls Travis out, and the two discuss what they’ve learned from their dog training mistakes.  They also discuss hunting solo vs hunting with friends, mentoring hunters, tough situations in the field, dogs learning from other dogs, why birds make a dog, and plenty more…