The Fortified Life Podcast with Jason Davis – Episode 222
Guest: Dr. Tim Elmore, Founder of Growing Leaders (growingleaders.com)
Episode Highlights
- Host: Jason Davis (aka Mister Fortify)
- Dr. Tim Elmore – Leadership expert, author of 35+ books, creator of Habitudes
- Featured Book: The Future Begins with Z: Nine Strategies to Lead Generation Z as They Upset the Workplace
About the Guest
Dr. Tim Elmore is a renowned leadership expert and the founder of Growing Leaders, a nonprofit focused on developing emerging leaders. He spent 20 years working alongside John C. Maxwell and has appeared in major publications and media outlets. Globally, businesses, schools, churches, and nonprofits seek his practical wisdom for multi-generational leadership.
Key Topics DiscussedUnderstanding Generation Z
- The “Peter Pan Paradox”: Age of authority is dropping, but age of maturity is rising (“26 is the new 18”)
- Gen Z brings tech intuition and a forward-looking view of the workplace, but may lag in social, emotional, and spiritual maturity due to cultural and pandemic factors.
- Importance of listening and coaching over just managing
Hiring & Interviewing Gen Z
- Employers encounter unique challenges with Gen Z, such as eye contact, expectations, dress, language, virtual etiquette, and even parents participating in interviews.
- The “PERKS” Interview Framework:
- Preferences: Understand their wishes
- Expectations: Clarify what they assume will be true
- Requirements: Identify non-negotiables
- Keys: Discover what makes them tick
- Salary: Discuss compensation transparently
- Shift interviews to a two-way conversation to set the stage for engagement and retention.
Myths & Realities about Gen Z
- Many stereotypes are misleading—work ethic and motivations are often misunderstood.
- Gen Z values work-life balance as a reaction to previous generations’ workaholism.
- Importance of asking and understanding before assuming
Retaining and Developing Gen Z Talent
- Create entrepreneurial zones or startup-like teams within organizations.
- Provide autonomy, flexibility, and trust (with accountability)
- Use reverse mentoring—invite Gen Z to teach older generations.
- Foster an environment where asking is as valued as telling.
Feedback & Communication
- Approach feedback with grace, curiosity, and belief in the person
- The “ALEG” Feedback Model:
- Ask (not tell)
- Listen
- Empathize
- Guide
- Build bridges, not just wield badges—connection, not just position, earns influence.
Mental Health & Well-being
- Gen Z faces unprecedented anxiety and pressure, with today’s average teen experiencing anxiety levels that match those of psychiatric patients from the 1950s.
- Encourage margin, movement, and authentic support in the workplace.
Why Dr. Elmore Remains Optimistic
- Every generation is initially misunderstood—even Boomers faced skepticism.
- Positive change often comes from rising generations.
- Inspiring story of the NASA moon landing—entrusting young leaders led to a historic achievement
- “Gen Z is the sandpaper on my leadership I didn’t know I needed.”
Resources & Next Steps
- Dr. Elmore’s books (including The Future Begins with Z and Habitudes) are available from major booksellers.
- Bulk orders: portslightbooks.com
- Learn more and access leadership resources: growingleaders.com, timelmore.com
Connect with Dr. Tim Elmore:
- Website: timelmore.com
- Organization: growingleaders.com
- Social: Search “Tim Elmore” and “Growing Leaders” on major platforms
Closing Thoughts
- Don’t compartmentalize your faith—God is with you everywhere.
- Embrace generational differences as opportunities for growth and innovation.
- Lead with curiosity, connection, and humility.
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Host Book Recommendation:
Fortify: Being Rooted in God’s Plan for Work and Business by Jason Davis (Available on Amazon)