When the Founding Fathers wrote the Constitution, they couldn't have imagined that we would have a president with no shame or integrity. Today, Pennsylvania Gov. Josh Shapiro joins Marc Elias to break down the consequential voter roll lawsuits, how Democratic governors are holding the line against the White House, and what we can all do to join the opposition movement.

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00:00 Today's Guest: Governor Josh Shapiro

00:59 State of U.S. Democracy Under Trump

04:45 Political Courage, Integrity, and Leadership

07:42 Fighting Trump’s 2020 Election Challenges

10:51 Why Republicans Still Question 2020 Results

12:07 Lawsuit Over Voter Data & Election Security

15:53 From Attorney General to Governor: Legal Strategy

17:36 Fixing I-95 Fast & Government Efficiency

20:15 Balancing Fighting Trump with Broad Popularity

22:42 What Voters Actually Care About in 2026

25:59 Midterm Outlook & Control of Congress

29:30 Voting Rights Reforms & Election Modernization

33:52 Cost, Efficiency & Fixing Election Systems

38:03 Writing a Book & Personal Reflections

40:18 What Citizens Can Do to Defend Democracy