On this episode of the Full Tilt Podcast, Hatch sits down with heavyweight legend Steve Mocco for a deep dive into one of the most unique careers in American wrestling. From judo roots and Blair Academy super-teams to wrestling under the lights in Carver-Hawkeye and Gallagher-Iba, Steve shares the stories, rivalries, and training methods that shaped a generational heavyweight.

They cover his transition from Iowa to Oklahoma State, the real reason behind that move, life at the Olympic Training Center, wild trips to Russia and Ukraine, and what it’s like now running a club and coaching his own sons. Along the way, you’ll hear about training with icons like Terry Brands, John Smith, and Henry Cejudo, plus some unforgettable behind-the-scenes stories.

0:00 Ferrari, Japanese signs, and Iowa–Oklahoma State talk
0:55 Full Tilt intro with Steve Mocco
1:19 Being on the heavyweight Mount Rushmore
3:39 Kidney issue, swimming, and discovering judo
5:39 How judo shaped Mocco’s wrestling style and foot sweep
9:22 “Stand up and fight” judo tournament and Buxton banning judo
11:05 Inside Blair Academy’s super teams and Buxton’s training
24:09 Why Mocco chose Iowa and the first Carver-Hawkeye experience
33:46 Why he transferred from Iowa to Oklahoma State
35:00 Season on the Mat cameras and life inside the Iowa room
56:35 Following Terry Brands to the Olympic Training Center
1:05:43 Manitou Incline and brutal altitude workouts
1:13:36 Winning the Yarygin and beating world champs
1:18:38 Getting shorted on prize money in Russia
1:21:23 Riots, tire fires, and sneaking back into the city
1:30:01 Transition to coaching and starting his Florida club
1:43:00 Balancing dad and coach with his own kids
1:46:44 Who he’d teach his famous foot sweep to

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On this episode of The Full Tilt Podcast Hatch sits down with the Olympic gold medalist and legendary Iowa coach Dan Gable for a long-form conversation about wrestling, life, and legacy in his fabled cabin. His personal home wrestling room used for training.

They go deep on:

• Growing up under West Waterloo’s Coach Siddens
• Building dynasties at Iowa State and Iowa
• Losing to Larry Owings and how that loss transformed him
• Beating the Russians, training with Chris Taylor, and chasing Olympic gold
• Near-wrist and armbar torture sessions in the Iowa room
• The mindset it takes to get back to the top and rebuild after you fall off
• NIL, the transfer portal, and the future of college wrestling
• Family, grief, and why his grandkids carry his name forward

If you are a wrestling coach, athlete, or just a fan of elite performance, this is two hours of pure gold in a location few get access to.

Chapters:

0:00 Iron Sheik stories and pro wrestling crossover
0:50 Full Tilt intro and Hatch’s over-the-top excitement
1:41 Gable flips the script and starts interviewing Hatch
2:26 Hatch’s path: from Iowa kid to coaching across the country
4:28 Falling in love with South America and the idea of a wrestling club there
5:36 Pan Am Games in Colombia and beating a tough Cuban
6:37 Cubans, Russians, Iranians, and politics in world wrestling
9:23 The grind at Iowa and why Gable’s guys could not play another sport in-season
11:11 Hatch starts coaching youth while still wrestling for Iowa
13:08 Gable admits losing discipline between titles and rebuilding the Hawkeye dynasty
19:14 What it was like coming into Iowa behind Brands, Ironside, Haddock, Hogan
20:16 The Big Ten story: Kevin Hogan, Kent and Doug Strayer, and saving the title streak
28:27 Phase 2 of Iowa dominance: Brands, Steiners, Ryans, Pfisners, Ostendorp
32:34 What Gable learned from legendary high school coach Bob Siddens
39:40 The Marty Dickey weight-cut story and back-to-back West Waterloo champs
42:17 How Siddens and Nichols shaped Gable’s wrestling and coaching styles
47:11 Freshman Gable gets pushed in the Iowa State room and decides to “upgrade”
52:59 When did Gable get good enough to wrestle everyone in the room (including heavies)?
56:18 The Larry Owings loss, the newspaper headline, and a turning point
1:00:00 Learning to finish takedowns the right way and “make wrestling easier”
1:03:54 The slap from his mom that broke the mental fog after the Owings loss
1:07:03 Wrestling Chris Taylor, broken ribs, and competing hurt
1:10:21 Beating the Russians in Tbilisi and training with “Beat the Russians” on his wall
1:12:14 Why Gable tightened his focus and cut out distractions like pre-match media
1:20:16 Confronting the Iron Sheik at the 1996 Olympics about “beating Gable”
1:22:05 The 22 minute go and how Gable structured his own training at Iowa State
1:24:38 Hatch explains why wrestling Gable was worse than wrestling the Brands
1:26:19 Near-wrist defense and how swimming the arm changed everything
1:28:48 Social director Hatch, women’s teams in the stands, and getting pinned in front of them
1:32:45 Why Gable hates the phrase “I loved being a backup”
1:34:45 Parenting, pressure, and moms calling Gable about their sons’ roles
1:36:45 NIL, the transfer portal, and the risk of losing Division I wrestling programs
1:41:20 Marriage, sacrifice, and what it really takes to sustain a program
1:43:40 Gold as an athlete vs. gold as a coach: which meant more to Gable
1:45:16 How a murder in his family shaped his drive and why family matters most now

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Hatch sits down with wrestling legend Lee Kemp to unpack his journey from adopted kid and benched basketball player to three-time NCAA champion and three-time World Champion. Lee tells how he discovered wrestling almost by accident, became obsessed with Dan Gable at a 1972 camp, and then shocked the sport by beating Gable at 18 years old.

He shares stories of turning Wisconsin into a national powerhouse, surviving brutal World Team Trials, winning his first World title, and the lifelong impact of the 1980 Olympic boycott on his identity and purpose. This is a raw, honest look at obsession, mental toughness, and the cost of chasing greatness.

If you care about wrestling, mindset, or what it really takes to chase greatness, this episode is a masterclass.

0:00:00 – Opening stories, Full Tilt intro, and why Lee Kemp is a wrestling legend

0:08:00 – Adoption, move from Cleveland to rural Chardon, outsider experiences, and accidentally finding wrestling after riding the bench in basketball

0:20:00 – The 1972 Dan Gable camp: obsession with Gable, copying his training, and deciding to go “all in” on wrestling

0:32:00 – High school breakthrough: upsetting the defending state champ, building belief, and the win that changed his career trajectory

0:45:00 – College years: almost going to Michigan State, choosing Wisconsin, and helping turn the Badgers into a national contender with multiple NCAA champs

0:58:00 – From NCAA star to World Team contender: the OW “snub,” getting talked into the World Team Trials, and battling Joe Carr and Dave Schultz in the mini-tournament

1:10:00 – Making the 1978 World Team: nine matches in four days at altitude, brutal Gable-led training camps, and the lead-up to Mexico City Worlds

1:20:00 – Winning his first World title, international rivalries, and how a deeper sense of purpose drove Lee beyond medals and records

1:30:00 – The 1980 Olympic boycott: feeling like a death in the family, losing the chance to become Olympic champion, and learning to live with a “stolen” dream as a three-time World Champion

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Four-time All-American and two-time NCAA champion Mark Ironside sits down with longtime friend and former roommate Mike Hatcher to go deep on legendary Cedar Rapids rivalries, wild college house stories, brutal Iowa wrestling room battles, and what it was really like under Dan Gable and Tom and Terry Brands. From packed Prairie–Jefferson duals to Olympic memories in Atlanta, this episode is a masterclass in toughness, loyalty, and the evolution of Hawkeye wrestling culture.

Timed Highlights
0:03:30 – Growing up minutes apart in Cedar Rapids but on opposite sides of the rivalry line
0:06:00 – Prairie vs Jefferson: sold-out gyms, fire marshals, and presold duel tickets
0:09:40 – Respect between rivals and training together before the state tournament
0:11:00 – The tiny, overheated Prairie wrestling room and Ironside’s first rope climbs at Iowa
0:16:50 – Academic roadblocks, floods, and almost walking away from college wrestling
0:22:20 – Legendary house chaos: tree climbs, couch on the roof, and police visits
0:27:00 – Being the sober guy in a party house and getting hit with disorderly house tickets
0:31:00 – Wrestling Gable after practice and the “drowning on bottom” feeling
0:35:30 – The neck brace story: the one time Ironside cracks Gable and pays for it
0:37:45 – Tom Brands’ 42-minute lifting circuits: the hardest workouts of Ironside’s life
0:45:15 – Mental toughness: training the mind to outlast the final 30 seconds of a match
0:49:50 – How getting dismantled by Tom and Terry led Ironside to self-teach the low single
0:54:00 – Jeff McGinnis, nerves, and the match that almost broke Ironside in high school
0:58:40 – Why you can’t put Iowa-style wrestling in a box as a coach
1:01:50 – Lincoln McIlravy as “the inventor” and techniques nobody else could copy
1:05:10 – The self-directed Gable room: “first one to get tired gets a drink”
1:09:20 – Gable’s philosophy: why he didn’t micromanage practices
1:16:50 – Driving to the 95 Worlds and 96 Olympics
1:22:30 – Watching Tom Brands win Olympic gold in Atlanta from the front row
1:24:36 – College rivals: Steve Schmidt, St. John, and learning from heartbreaking losses
1:35:25 – Why “nice” doesn’t win matches
1:38:15 – Tom Brands, Doug Schwab, and punching holes in office walls after a Penn State loss
1:43:55 – Remembering teammates and friends, and what the Hawkeye brotherhood means now

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NCAA champion and former Army officer Derek Moore joins the Full Tilt Podcast to walk through his unlikely rise from undersized, lightly recruited California kid to 2007 NCAA Champion and OW at 141 lbs, his time in the Army World Class Athlete Program (WCAP), and his current role building a faith-centered Division I program at CBU.
In this episode, Derek and Hatch dig into:
Growing up in small-town Redding, California and discovering wrestling
Walking on at UC Davis, grinding through redshirt years, and almost quitting
The influence of legendary coach Lenny Zaleski and the old-school UC Davis grind
Winning the 2007 NCAA title over Ryan Lang with a top-game clinic and earning OW
Transitioning to freestyle in the Army’s WCAP, training at the OTC, and wrestling overseas
Leading soldiers as a field artillery officer vs. leading a college wrestling team
Building the California Baptist (CBU) wrestling program and the role of faith in his life and coaching
If you love wrestling, leadership, and redemption stories grounded in faith and hard work, this episode is for you.

Timed Episode Highlights
0:00 – 3:42 Small-town roots, Northern California life, and first impressions of Riverside
3:42 – 7:43 Discovering CBU, NorCal vs SoCal, and faith and community in Riverside
7:43 – 12:56 Undersized high schooler, almost no recruiting, and landing at UC Davis
12:56 – 17:02 ROTC scholarship, balancing Division I wrestling and military training
17:02 – 23:02 Redshirt grind, getting beat up, almost quitting, and mentors who kept him in
23:02 – 30:00 Style and mindset shift: from tiny 88-pounder to big 141 with a lethal top game
30:00 – 36:41 Technical deep dive: counter offense, shin whizzer, Jonesy tilts, and mat wrestling
36:41 – 40:15 2007 NCAA run, teching Ryan Lang, and winning Outstanding Wrestler
40:15 – 44:39 UC Davis love, parade, and then the heartbreak of the program being dropped
44:39 – 52:32 ROTC commitment, joining the Army’s World Class Athlete Program (WCAP)
52:32 – 59:13 Training at the OTC under Terry Brands, Zeke Jones, Brandon Slay, and Bill Zadick
59:13 – 1:05:22 Overseas tours, brutal foreign training camps, and learning international styles
1:05:22 – 1:11:20 Transition from athlete to coach: Sacred Heart to CBU and the D2-to-D1 climb
1:11:20 – 1:20:00 Building CBU Wrestling, recruiting, faith impact on athletes, and California wrestling
1:20:00 – 1:24:42 Comparing military leadership to coaching a college team
1:24:42 – 1:25:57 Hardest Lenny Zaleski workouts and old-school UC Davis conditioning
1:25:57 – End Reflections, biggest rewards as a coach, and closing thoughts

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Former CBU All-American and alum Nolan Kessler joins the Full Tilt Podcast to break down the decision by California Baptist University to cut its Division I wrestling program along with two other men’s sports. Nolan explains why this is more than just one team being dropped: it’s part of a national trend threatening Olympic sports and first-generation college opportunities.

He shares powerful stories of lives changed through wrestling, the fast-growing movement behind Keep CBU Wrestling, and how alumni, coaches, and community members are rallying to raise $20 million and secure a long-term endowment for the program. Nolan also addresses Title IX, the financial realities behind “revenue sports,” and why CBU has a unique chance to lead instead of follow the herd.

Timed Highlights:
0:00 The bigger problem: Olympic sports under attack
0:25 Introducing the Full Tilt Podcast and guest Nolan Kessler
1:02 How Nolan learned CBU was cutting three men’s programs
1:34 Building a 100-alumni coalition to keep CBU wrestling
3:30 The national trend of dropped wrestling programs (Fresno State, Stanford, others)
5:10 NIL, NCAA changes, and 44 discontinued Olympic programs in one year
6:40 Why “revenue sports” like football and basketball are putting schools in the red
8:30 CBU’s chance to lead instead of follow the herd
9:49 The crisis of only three Division I wrestling programs in all of California
11:44 What’s the plan? Awareness, fundraising, and building a coalition
11:48 Launching keepcbu.com and raising over $1 million in a month
13:48 How pledges work and why donors are protected if the effort fails
13:59 Inside CBU’s response: “The decision is final, no amount of money will change it”
16:13 Title IX as the stated reason and why the numbers don’t add up
18:40 Other paths to Title IX compliance and adding women’s sports
20:00 Timeline: pushing for talks before the NCAA wrestling tournament
20:17 The $20 million endowment goal and lessons from Stanford
21:35 Ensuring the program’s long-term future, not just a short-term save
22:03 Examples from Bucknell and Binghamton and big gifts after programs were saved
24:38 Other programs cut at CBU and building a united front with golf and swim & dive
26:51 Final call to action: why wrestling is a lifeline of opportunity
27:16 How to support: website, social media, donations, and sharing
29:05 Closing: why this fight matters for wrestling and all Olympic sports

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On this episode of The Full Tilt, Hatch sits down with two-time NCAA champion and Olympic gold medalist Randy Lewis for a storytelling masterclass. From his first day on the mat in fifth grade to setting a national record with 45 straight pins, Randy breaks down the mindset that made him, as he says, the toughest kid on the block.

He shares how a pull-up contest gave him the confidence to win his first state title, why he set insane goals like pinning every opponent for an entire season, and what it was really like being recruited by his hero, Dan Gable. Randy also tells the hilarious and humbling story of going from pinning a Russian world champion to getting absolutely worked in practice by Gable himself.

If you love wrestling, old-school toughness, and legendary stories, this is Full Tilt at its finest.

Timed Highlights:
 0:00 Opening story: “Don’t poke the bear”
 0:22 Welcome to The Full Tilt podcast with Hatch
 0:43 Introducing Olympic gold medalist Randy Lewis
 1:49 Randy’s first day of wrestling in fifth grade
 2:05 Winning regionals and the belief that he could be state champ
 2:22 The pull-up challenge that gave him confidence
 2:40 Toughest kid on the block mindset and book title origin
 3:08 Learning the rules the hard way: penalties for locking hands and choking
 3:40 Winning his first state title and going to camp to really learn wrestling
 4:20 Dominating AAU nationals and setting bigger goals
 5:00 The goal to beat everyone by eight points or more
 5:11 Facing Phil Hammond, cutting to 98, and wrestling fear
 5:49 New goal: pinning everyone and setting a national record with 45 straight pins
 6:28 College coaches come calling and Dan Gable enters the picture
 6:57 Showing Gable the shoes he signed back in eighth grade
 7:21 Hearing about Dan Gable’s Olympic run with no points scored on him
 7:52 Randy’s young belief he could beat Gable “if I was as big as him”
 8:12 Moving up to 149.5 and pinning the Russian world champion
 8:54 The day he wrestled Gable in practice
 9:01 Catching Gable in a headlock and then getting turned over and over again

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In the debut episode of the Full Tilt Podcast, Hatch sits down with legendary “Fall Guy” Royce Alger – two-time NCAA champion, world silver medalist, and head coach of Titan Mercury Wrestling Club. Royce unleashes a barrage of stories from Iowa wrestling rooms, brutal Gable workouts, Foxcatcher days with Dave Schultz, and the infamous “Heisman House” of legends he lives with today.

From 4.2-mile “Gable time” runs in the Iowa heat, to nearly getting choked out by Dave Schultz in a dark Foxcatcher room, to being only the second American ever issued a passport “behind enemy lines” in Moscow (after Bobby Fischer), this episode is wall-to-wall storytelling.

If you love wrestling, old-school toughness, and wild road stories, this one sets the bar.

Timed Highlights  

0:00 – Cold open: 4.2-mile run and realizing Gable might be crazy  

0:31 – Hatch introduces the Full Tilt Podcast and Royce Alger’s legendary resume  

1:07 – Nashville trip, Young Guns clinic, and Montgomery Bell Academy first impressions  

2:12 – National Collegiate Duals and Royce’s son chasing country music in Nashville  

2:41 – Full career rundown: Iowa, World Cups, US Opens, Pan Ams, Titan Mercury  

3:53 – Story-stealing, Dan Gable’s only collegiate loss, and calling him “Larry”  

8:18 – “Gable time” and the infamous long loop run with Barry Davis  

13:14 – The psychology of Gable’s extra 30 seconds and trust in the room  

15:26 – Gable’s top game and how it shaped Royce’s wrestling from the top  

16:21 – Being fourth on Iowa’s all-time pin list and the philosophy of pinning athletes  

17:32 – Beating two Olympic champions at the same US Open  

19:54 – Making the 1992 Olympic team and the parity of US wrestling rivalries  

20:14 – What NIL money would have meant for 80s and 90s Hawkeyes  

22:28 – “PhD: Poor, hungry, and driven” and how Royce recruited for Iowa  

23:17 – First Hawkeye to Foxcatcher and arriving in a limo in Philadelphia  

23:50 – First workout with Dave Schultz and getting choked unconscious  

28:16 – The “fear of death” lesson and hearing others’ Schultz stories  

29:53 – Why Chris Campbell is the best wrestler Royce ever put hands on  

31:54 – Beating Andre Metzger at Midlands: “To be a legend, you have to beat a legend”  

35:19 – Sauna culture at Iowa and stories that should never leave the walls  

37:30 – The rivalry with Kevin Jackson and missing Olympic teams  

38:16 – On excuses, almost guys, and why it’s easier to just win the match  

42:42 – Getting a “whole new set of friends” after the world silver medal  

46:39 – How one state title can lift an entire town  

53:09 – Being handcuffed in Moscow and becoming passport case number two after Bobby Fischer  

59:39 – Eli Alger, Trump, and a surprise visit from the Secret Service  

1:03:52 – The sign above Iowa’s penalty box and “the older I get, the better I was”  

1:06:42 – Reaching “Willie Nelson phase” status and still being relevant decades later  

1:08:32 – Plans for the Legends Workshop and why hand fighting is a lost art  

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