This is the final installment of my conversation with Daryl Madi about Church Hurt, and as we acknowledge the failings of the institutional church, we also acknowledge Christ's love for her and our place in her midst.

This is part 2 of my conversation with Pastor Daryl Madi about church hurt, where we continue to discuss the church, the need for accountability in the church, and also our need of the church. 

This is part one of my conversation with my friend, Pastor Daryl Madi, on the subject of 'Church Hurt,' as we talk about the varieties of things that can be referred to by that name and examine both the flaws of the institutional church and our need of it.

Jason Van Bemmel joins me to talk, not just about science and faith and the questions of origins that so often divide us, but about disagreement and conflict in the church, and how we can distinguish between primary, secondary and tertiary differences when we find that we do disagree.

In this episode we talk about three different positions Christians take on the question of origins, not to advocate for any one of them but to better understand them, their appeal, their challenges, and talk about how they interact with the early chapters of Genesis. 

We continue our discussion of faith and science, and we move into a general discussion of views of origins, knowing this is much debated ground in the church, hoping to model a reasoned and respectful reflection on some of the issues in these conversations.

In this interview we begin by reflecting on our shared history growing up at the same church, discussing our experience being rooted in that community of faith, and then move into a discussion of faith and science which continues into the next episode.

In this episode Jason Van Bemmel and I follow up on the conversation about devotional poetry and its value that I had with Leland Ryken, discussing poetry in general and looking more closely at another Holy Sonnet by John Donne and a poem by Emily Dickinson. 

This episode includes the second half of my conversation with Dr. Leland Ryken on devotional poetry as we look more closely at two sample poems, John Donne's Holy Sonnet 14 and John Milton's Sonnet 19, also known as Milton's sonnet on his blindness.

This episode contains the first half of my conversation with Dr. Leland Ryken on devotional poetry, as we talk about how poetry does its work, and why it is worth taking time to invest in it.