In this two-part interview, we sat down with Phil Ling from The Giving Leader podcast. Phil has worked with churches and ministries of all sizes in order to help them grow in and for the Kingdom of God. Phil doesn't hold back and gives a lot of advice for how the "big C" Church can stay in the fight in a post-COVID era, but also how churches, men, and women can ensure they are doing the things they are able to do in order to bring God the glory He deserves. You can find out more about Phil by visiting his website at www.thelinggroup.com or by tuning into his podcast called "The Giving Leader." Enjoy!