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This conversation delves into the concept of 'informal empires' and challenges the notion that these empires feel 'informal' to those under their influence. It argues that historians, particularly in the West, might minimize the impact of informal empires, which, in reality, exert significant control and governance, often through private enterprises rather than state mechanisms. In this episode of The Great Tech Game podcast, host Anirudh Suri is joined by Phil Stern, professor of history at Duke University, to dive into the history of colonial corporations such as East India Company and what that might teach us about how the current tug of war between nation-states and big tech firms such as Apple and Google might play out.Stern and Suri together delve into the history of joint stock corporations and trading empires of corporations such as East India Company and others. They explore how these joint stock corporations of the 17th and 18th centuries were critical in the rise of colonial empires, but eventually ran afoul of their patrons and political masters. They discuss how the attempt of the British Crown, for example, to regulate the activities of the East India Company played out, and what lessons that holds for today's attempt by countries like the US, India and Europe to regulate Big Tech firms.About Phil Stern: https://scholars.duke.edu/person/philip.stern/Follow Anirudh here:X (formerly Twitter): https://x.com/anirudhsuriLinkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anirudhsuri/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/anirudh_suriFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/AnirudhSuri.inWebsite: [www.anirudhsuri.com](http://www.anirudhsuri.com/)Book and Podcast: [www.greattechgame.com](http://www.greattechgame.com/)Book Links:Anirudh Suri:The Great Tech Game by Anirudh Suri : https://amzn.eu/d/1Su38My
Phil & Anirudh discusses the parallels between the British Empire, known for its dominance through colonial corporations, and the modern-day geopolitical influence of the United States, highlighting the significant role of major US tech corporations like Google, Microsoft, Amazon, and Starlink. It delves into the different models of tech geopolitics, comparing the state-led approach of China, the regulatory stance of Europe, and the corporation-driven model of the US. 00:00 Introduction to Geopolitics and Empires00:10 The British Empire: An Incorporated Empire00:34 Comparing the British Empire and the U.S. Today00:44 Tech Geopolitics: Three Models01:11 The U.S. Model: Power of Large Corporations01:33 Corporations in Conflict: The Russia Ukraine Case01:40 Exploring Parallels Between the British Empire and the U.S.02:02 Corporations as a Form of Soft Power02:20 Cultural Imperialism and Corporations02:31 Hard Power of Corporations: The East India Company Case------In this episode of The Great Tech Game podcast, host Anirudh Suri is joined by Phil Stern, professor of history at Duke University, to dive into the history of colonial corporations such as East India Company and what that might teach us about how the current tug of war between nation-states and big tech firms such as Apple and Google might play out.Stern and Suri together delve into the history of joint stock corporations and trading empires of corporations such as East India Company and others. They explore how these joint stock corporations of the 17th and 18th centuries were critical in the rise of colonial empires, but eventually ran afoul of their patrons and political masters. They discuss how the attempt of the British Crown, for example, to regulate the activities of the East India Company played out, and what lessons that holds for today's attempt by countries like the US, India and Europe to regulate Big Tech firms.About Phil Stern: https://scholars.duke.edu/person/philip.stern/Follow Anirudh here:X (formerly Twitter): https://x.com/anirudhsuriLinkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anirudhsuri/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/anirudh_suriFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/AnirudhSuri.inWebsite: [www.anirudhsuri.com](http://www.anirudhsuri.com/)Book and Podcast: [www.greattechgame.com](http://www.greattechgame.com/)Book Links:Anirudh Suri:The Great Tech Game by Anirudh Suri : https://amzn.eu/d/1Su38My
Phil delves into the complex and ever-evolving relationship between state powers and private corporations throughout history, underscoring it as a 'tug of war' or 'ebb and flow'. The conversation highlights significant historical moments, such as the transformation of the East India Company from a trading entity to a governing and military power, to draw parallels with today's tech companies like Microsoft, which have expanded beyond their initial functions. It discusses the idea that this relationship does not follow a linear story of dominance but is marked by constant tensions and shifts in power dynamics. 00:00 Introduction: The Tug of War Between State and Private Corporation00:51 Historical Perspective: The Evolution of State and Corporate Relationships02:09 Post World War II: The Emergence of State-Based Politics02:39 21st Century: The Rise of Non-State Forms of Power03:47 The Constant Relationship Between State and Corporations05:05 Colonial Corporations: From Trade to Governance06:02 Modern Tech Companies: The Functional Expansion06:31 Regulation: The State's Response to Corporate Power----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------In this episode of The Great Tech Game podcast, host Anirudh Suri is joined by Phil Stern, professor of history at Duke University, to dive into the history of colonial corporations such as East India Company and what that might teach us about how the current tug of war between nation-states and big tech firms such as Apple and Google might play out.Stern and Suri together delve into the history of joint stock corporations and trading empires of corporations such as East India Company and others. They explore how these joint stock corporations of the 17th and 18th centuries were critical in the rise of colonial empires, but eventually ran afoul of their patrons and political masters. They discuss how the attempt of the British Crown, for example, to regulate the activities of the East India Company played out, and what lessons that holds for today's attempt by countries like the US, India and Europe to regulate Big Tech firms.About Phil Stern: https://scholars.duke.edu/person/philip.stern/Follow Anirudh here:X (formerly Twitter): https://x.com/anirudhsuriLinkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anirudhsuri/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/anirudh_suriFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/AnirudhSuri.inWebsite: [www.anirudhsuri.com](http://www.anirudhsuri.com/)Book and Podcast: [www.greattechgame.com](http://www.greattechgame.com/)Book Links:Anirudh Suri:The Great Tech Game by Anirudh Suri : https://amzn.eu/d/1Su38My
The conversation explores the historical dynamics between states and large colonial corporations, particularly through the lens of British colonialism and its regulatory challenges. Phil draws parallels between past colonial enterprises and contemporary big tech firms, focusing on the complexities of regulation, the arguments asserted by corporations against state control, and the evolution of such debates over time. Chapters: 00:27 The Evolution of Colonial Enterprises00:50 The State and Its Competing Interests01:24 The Debate on Company Models01:35 Legal Regulation and Accountability02:15 The Argument Against State Regulation02:29 The Role of History in Colonialism04:37 The Defense of Private Property06:06 The Argument of Indigenous Sovereignty08:58 The Difficulty of Eliminating Colonial Corporations09:14 Venture Colonialism and Big Tech Firms---In this episode of The Great Tech Game podcast, host Anirudh Suri is joined by Phil Stern, professor of history at Duke University, to dive into the history of colonial corporations such as East India Company and what that might teach us about how the current tug of war between nation-states and big tech firms such as Apple and Google might play out.Stern and Suri together delve into the history of joint stock corporations and trading empires of corporations such as East India Company and others. They explore how these joint stock corporations of the 17th and 18th centuries were critical in the rise of colonial empires, but eventually ran afoul of their patrons and political masters. They discuss how the attempt of the British Crown, for example, to regulate the activities of the East India Company played out, and what lessons that holds for today's attempt by countries like the US, India and Europe to regulate Big Tech firms.About Phil Stern: https://scholars.duke.edu/person/philip.stern/Follow Anirudh here:X (formerly Twitter): https://x.com/anirudhsuriLinkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anirudhsuri/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/anirudh_suriFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/AnirudhSuri.inWebsite: [www.anirudhsuri.com](http://www.anirudhsuri.com/)Book and Podcast: [www.greattechgame.com](http://www.greattechgame.com/)Book Links:Anirudh Suri:The Great Tech Game by Anirudh Suri : https://amzn.eu/d/1Su38My
Phil delves into the concept of venture colonialism, as detailed in the book 'Empire Incorporated'. It draws a parallel between historical venture capitalists, known as 'adventure capitalists', who invested in exploratory voyages from the 16th and 17th centuries, and the modern venture capital industry. This connection highlights a continuum of investment risks and returns, blending commercial, religious, political, and even philosophical motivations behind such ventures. Venture colonialism, as the discussion suggests, bridges the historical and contemporary, urging a reevaluation of assumptions about colonial enterprises and modern venture capitalism.Chapters:00:00 Introduction to Venture Colonialism01:19 Historical Context of Venture Colonialism01:54 Understanding the Concept of 'Adventure' in Colonial Times02:11 Risk and Return in Colonial Ventures02:43 The Role of Companies in Colonial Ventures03:15 Contrasting Venture Colonialism and Venture Capitalism04:03 Motivations Behind Colonial Ventures04:34 Re-evaluating Our Assumptions About Colonial Ventures---In this episode of The Great Tech Game podcast, host Anirudh Suri is joined by Phil Stern, professor of history at Duke University, to dive into the history of colonial corporations such as East India Company and what that might teach us about how the current tug of war between nation-states and big tech firms such as Apple and Google might play out.Stern and Suri together delve into the history of joint stock corporations and trading empires of corporations such as East India Company and others. They explore how these joint stock corporations of the 17th and 18th centuries were critical in the rise of colonial empires, but eventually ran afoul of their patrons and political masters. They discuss how the attempt of the British Crown, for example, to regulate the activities of the East India Company played out, and what lessons that holds for today's attempt by countries like the US, India and Europe to regulate Big Tech firms.About Phil Stern: https://scholars.duke.edu/person/philip.stern/Follow Anirudh here:X (formerly Twitter): https://x.com/anirudhsuriLinkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anirudhsuri/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/anirudh_suriFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/AnirudhSuri.inWebsite: [www.anirudhsuri.com](http://www.anirudhsuri.com/)Book and Podcast: [www.greattechgame.com](http://www.greattechgame.com/)Book Links:Anirudh Suri:The Great Tech Game by Anirudh Suri : https://amzn.eu/d/1Su38My#VentureColonialism #EmpireIncorporated #AdventureCapitalists #HistoricalVentures #ModernVentureCapital #InvestmentRisks #CommercialEnterprises #PoliticalMotivations #PhilosophicalInvestments #ColonialHistory #ReevaluatingAssumptions #FinancialReturns #ExploratoryVoyages #MerchantAdventurers #RiskAndReturn
This conversation delves into the concept of 'informal empires' and challenges the notion that these empires feel 'informal' to those under their influence. It argues that historians, particularly in the West, might minimize the impact of informal empires, which, in reality, exert significant control and governance, often through private enterprises rather than state mechanisms. 00:00 Understanding Informal Empires00:56 Influence of Corporations on International Policies01:22 The Role of ExxonMobil in Foreign Policy01:36 Rethinking the Concept of Empire01:46 The Plurality of Jurisdictional Forms in Empires02:13 The British Empire in India: Pre and Post 185702:45 The Complexity of Corporate Entities within Empires03:08 The Constellation of Entities in the British Empire03:43 Chaos Theory and Patterns in Empire Structures03:53 Uncoordinated yet Intentional Movements within Empires04:25 Characterizing the U.S. EmpireIn this episode of The Great Tech Game podcast, host Anirudh Suri is joined by Phil Stern, professor of history at Duke University, to dive into the history of colonial corporations such as East India Company and what that might teach us about how the current tug of war between nation-states and big tech firms such as Apple and Google might play out.Stern and Suri together delve into the history of joint stock corporations and trading empires of corporations such as East India Company and others. They explore how these joint stock corporations of the 17th and 18th centuries were critical in the rise of colonial empires, but eventually ran afoul of their patrons and political masters. They discuss how the attempt of the British Crown, for example, to regulate the activities of the East India Company played out, and what lessons that holds for today's attempt by countries like the US, India and Europe to regulate Big Tech firms.About Phil Stern: https://scholars.duke.edu/person/philip.stern/Follow Anirudh here:X (formerly Twitter): https://x.com/anirudhsuriLinkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anirudhsuri/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/anirudh_suriFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/AnirudhSuri.inWebsite: [www.anirudhsuri.com](http://www.anirudhsuri.com/)Book and Podcast: [www.greattechgame.com](http://www.greattechgame.com/)Book Links:Anirudh Suri:The Great Tech Game by Anirudh Suri : https://amzn.eu/d/1Su38My
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