David and Renée join us today to talk about the deep stuff in life: surrender, joy, pain, loss, suffering, and the goodness of God amidst it all. If you're having trouble trusting God amidst your pain, then this is the episode for you. David and Renée shepherd us through the hard-won lessons in their journey by losing their son, Ian, to cancer, as well as losing David's sister, Linda, to cancer. This is one of the episodes where you are going to want a notepad and a pen handy, because there are so many quotes you'll want to remember. David and Linda co-wrote a book together that is also incredible, and you can find it in the show notes below.