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SHOW NOTES:

0:00 artist & attorney Gina McKlveen

1:05 artist & retired judge Jerry Alonzo - the impact of depression

3:00 documentary American Symphony 

3:50 Suleika Jaouad - release she experienced by painting about cancer 

6:00 Alonzo’s “Out of Balance” 

6:40 “Civic Sacrement"

8:20 woodwork during Alonzo’s time as a judge 

9:00 “The Jury Box” 

10:45 “The Judgment” 

11:45 “Justice is God’s Plumb Line” 

12:30 Environmental works like “Monstronse”  

13:15 “Justice?” 

14:15 “Passage”

14:40 “Faltering”

16:00 “Arc”

16:25 asylum work inspired “Matthew 25” 

20:30 importance of leaning into the pain

21:35 Emily Gould’s comments

23:30 American Symphony - leaning into anxiety through art

26:25 McKlveen’s response to Alonzo’s work

26:45 “Upturned House” by Phyllida Barlow 

27:20 “Inflated Balloons” 

27:50 Carnegie International 

28:40 McKlveen’s work leaning into grief and loss

29:35 “Fisherman on the Roof” 

37:45 “Mermaid Mama”

39:25 “Stay Wild”

40:15 “Heather’s Mama”

42:00 McKlveen’s grandparents

44:50 portraiture versus still life works

47:00 other artists who created still life paintings as portraits, e.g., Van Gogh

48:30 Alonzo’s response to McKlveen

49:05 Gould’s response to McKlveen

49:45 Oluwatobi Aluko’s response

51:00 McKlveen’s planned portrait of grandmother with post box like Mona Lisa

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