When Doctors Become Caregivers: Supporting Carers, Community Health, and the Limits of Quick Fixes

On the Health Design Podcast, Moyez Jiwa speaks with physician Tyson Garfield about how his perspective on patient experience shifted after his partner was diagnosed with a mucinous borderline ovarian tumor, underwent radical surgery, and faced a prolonged recovery that felt fractured despite good surgical care. Tyson describes the emotional labor, uncertainty before pathology, and using the AI tool OpenEvidence, as well as the need for caregiver support through primary care access and “the village,” noting the healthcare system funds individuals but not unpaid carers. They discuss rural and urban aging challenges including transport dependence, food deserts, limited internet, clinician retention, and fragmented community ties, and highlight community-focused care models like PACE and the importance of social workers. They also debate rising demand for semaglutides/GLP-1s, concerns about long-term effects such as sarcopenia, and the need for clinicians to be more vocal advocates for healthy aging and evidence-based information.

00:00 Welcome Back Tyson

00:39 Partner Diagnosis Shock

03:55 Recovery Gaps Exposed

05:09 Emotional Labor Uncertainty

09:13 Caregiver Needs Support

10:51 Supporting the Carers

12:04 Why Village Unfunded

15:14 Rural Aging Tasmania

19:48 Building Rural Care Models

22:09 Keeping Doctors Rural

26:28 Urban Isolation Caregivers

30:33 Sharing Info Legal Risks

32:56 Ethics What Matters Most

34:51 Social Drivers Physician Role

37:46 Food Deserts GLP1 Debate

42:13 Advocacy Against Quick Fixes

45:06 Closing Thanks Farewell

Dr. Tim McLerran is a physician-turned product leader with a mission to bring human and machine intelligence together in the service of clinical challenges. During a research fellowship at the University of California, San Diego, Tim co-developed methods to rapidly measure the molecular milieu of human blood using mass spectrometry. This exposed him to the massive volume of data in precision medicine, and precipitated a realization that artificial intelligence would have to be a part of medicine in order for us to make full use of the data available for each patient. As an entrepreneur and product leader, Tim has developed and deployed systems which provide AI support to clinicians in diagnosis, management, documentation, and patient communication. He is dedicated to the quadruple aim of healthcare, practices user-centered design, favors lean and agile methods of software development, and actively advocates for the ethical principles laid out by the American Medical Association in their November 2024 statement "Augmented Intelligence Development, Deployment, and Use in Health Care".

Jill Wener, MD is a board-certified Internist, ICF-certified professional coach, certified EFT/tapping practitioner and trainer, anti-racism educator, DEI consultant, trauma specialist, allyship coach, and expert in physician wellness. Jill is passionate about helping people take responsibility for their problems and teaching them practical, easy, rewarding, and trauma-informed tools to take self-improvement to the next level. Jill is the co-creator of the CME-accredited Conscious Anti-Racism training programs, the host of the Conscious Anti-Racism podcast, and the co-author of the best-selling Conscious Anti-Racism book. She has created CME-accredited EFT/tapping and meditation courses.

Jill has worked with clients such as Georgia Aquarium, Dana Farber Cancer Institute, Yale University, the Accreditation Council for Graduate Medical Education, Seattle Children’s Hospital, Centene, Santa Clara Medical Society, Rush University Medical Center, ChenMed, the Pittsburgh Business Group on Health, Emory University, Atkins Global, and the National Alliance for Healthcare Purchaser Coalitions.

Dr. Lattisha Bilbrew is a board-certified Orthopaedic Surgeon specializing in Hand and Upper Extremity Surgery and the first Black woman to become a partner at Resurgens Orthopaedics—Georgia’s largest orthopedic practice. She is one of fewer than five practicing Black female orthopaedic surgeons in the entire state, breaking barriers in a field where fewer than 2% of surgeons are women of color. Born in Birmingham, England to Jamaican parents, Dr. Bilbrew’s story is one of resilience, faith, and purpose.

Dr. Bilbrew’s research interests include diversity and inclusion within orthopaedic surgery. Her work on racial disparities in the treatment and evaluation of carpal tunnel syndrome has been published in peer-reviewed medical literature.

An advocate for health equity, Dr. Bilbrew travels annually to Washington, D.C., representing the AAOS before members of Congress on issues such as Medicare reform, prior authorization, and physician-owned hospital access. Her leadership and influence have earned her numerous honors, including recognition in The Atlantan Magazine as one of Atlanta’s Top Orthopaedic Surgeons, Georgia Trend’s “Top 40 Under 40,” and Modern Luxury’s “Most Powerful Women of Atlanta” and “Influential Atlantans in Medicine.”

Episode Description:

Dr. Bilbrew shares her powerful journey into medicine, inspired by a personal family experience that shaped her mission to lead with empathy and compassion. As one of the few Black women in orthopedic surgery, she reflects on embracing identity, breaking barriers, and navigating bias with pride in her Jamaican heritage. She discusses how individual empathy and systemic advocacy work hand-in-hand to advance health equity, from patient-level connection to policy-level change. Dr. Bilbrew also highlights the importance of mentorship, community engagement, and preparing future clinicians to serve with purpose, integrity, and understanding.

Dr. Bilbrew is the author of the #1 Amazon bestseller, Yes, I Am The Surgeon: Lessons on Perseverance in a World That Tells You No, a compelling memoir of resilience, representation, and faith. Her forthcoming book, Measure Twice, Cut Once: Lessons on Confidence in a World That Tells You No, explores the power of preparation, purpose, and self-trust in overcoming adversity.

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In this episode, Dr Michelle Ossmann, nurse practitioner and socio-spatial scientist, explores hospitality in healthcare, ICU design, and evidence-based healthcare architecture. Dr. Ossmann is the global research director for MillerKnoll. Trained as a socio-spatial scientist and nurse practitioner, she leads the research team to investigate front-end innovation and back-end organizational outcomes across a range of place types. She serves in an advisory capacity for various Fortune 500 companies, health systems, and academic and professional programs, and publishes and presents widely. Dr. Ossmann received both her undergraduate and graduate degrees in nursing and her MBA from Emory University, and her PhD in Architecture from The Georgia Institute of Technology.

For more information on research discussed on today’s podcast, visit millerknoll.com. You can also connect with Dr. Ossmann on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/michelle-ossmann/, where she shares additional research and insights.

Karen is a Higher Education Market Leader with expertise in Medical and Health Sciences Education. Passionate about making the world a better place by creating spaces that bring people together, she has contributed to the design innovation of notable projects across the continental US. She specializes in medical, nursing, and health professions higher education facilities including the programming, planning, and detailing of inter-professional immersive simulation suites, active learning classrooms, anatomy labs, and student life spaces. With this deep understanding of unique design requirements, Karen helps institutions develop spaces to serve the current and future needs of the ever-evolving landscape of health sciences education.

She holds a Bachelor of Architecture from Virginia Tech with a Minor in Leadership & Social Change, and is a professional member of AIA, NCARB, the Society for College and University Planning (SCUP), and the Society for Simulation in Healthcare (SSH).

For your show notes, here is a recent article I wrote about medical school design on SLAM's blog:

https://slamcoll.com/blog/wellness-focused-medical-school-design/

Carolyn Philstrom is an ordained minister in the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America and works as a healthcare chaplain, with experience at both a major academic teaching hospital and in hospice. She lives with her husband Rory and their two children Edan, 7 and Josephine 3. Edan was one of the first humans to be diagnosed with Spinal Muscular Atrophy on the newborn screen in Minnesota and was treated before the onset of symptoms. He is a miracle child, developing without signs or symptoms of SMA. She is an independent rare disease advocate, working to advance newborn genomic sequencing, helping SMA patients in other countries create patient advocacy groups, and assists companies who are dedicated to affordable and accessible gene therapies expand and advance their mission. Carolyn is a proud monthly donor to Genomes2People, Dr. Robert Green's (Harvard University) non-profit working to advance genomic medicine.

Most recent blog about our story (2025)

Blog I wrote for Harvard University (2024)

Speech I gave for Harvard University (2024)

Washington Post article about newborn screening

Bloomberg Article about newborn screening

Dr. Tim McLerran is a physician-turned product leader with a mission to bring human and machine intelligence together in the service of clinical challenges. During a research fellowship at the University of California, San Diego, Tim co-developed methods to rapidly measure the molecular milieu of human blood using mass spectrometry. This exposed him to the massive volume of data in precision medicine, and precipitated a realization that artificial intelligence would have to be a part of medicine in order for us to make full use of the data available for each patient. As an entrepreneur and product leader, Tim has developed and deployed systems which provide AI support to clinicians in diagnosis, management, documentation, and patient communication. He is dedicated to the quadruple aim of healthcare, practices user-centered design, favors lean and agile methods of software development, and actively advocates for the ethical principles laid out by the American Medical Association in their November 2024 statement "Augmented Intelligence Development, Deployment, and Use in Health Care.

Perry Ashenfelter is a licensed architect passionate about creating healthier environments that bridge the relationship between architectural design, sustainability, and the urban experience. Her professional work spans a large range of scales from residential to higher education and healthcare, as well as large scale urban resilience projects. Perry has a diverse background with extensive construction management experience and technical training from her studies in structural engineering. She values the importance of considering all perspectives in developing comprehensive and creative solutions in a collaborative manner with project teams. Perry’s academic pursuits have focused on how design, as a tool, enables adaptation and encourages new approaches for sustainability from the building scale to the public realm. She is enthusiastic about increasing carbon literacy and reducing the carbon footprints associated with the built environment.

Most recently, Perry's health care work has included the renovation and expansion of a world class veterinary medical center facility to match the level of care and expertise they provide to their patient community. While the patients receiving care and treatment may appear to have drastically different needs from their human counterparts, designing for the needs of the most vulnerable whether a patient or family member, and designing for the well-being of the care givers inhabiting these spaces supports the vitality of our overall healthcare infrastructure.

Nicole is a well-being centered Industrial-Organizational Psychologist.

Founder of Humanalysts – which is dedicated to democratizing the employee experience. She is an advocate for employee wellbeing and harm reduction, educating employees and employers on what workplace harm, trauma, or abuse can look like and how to stop it. She brings in multidisciplinary experience as an analyst to executives where she’s worked in environmental health and safety research as well as marketing & sales where she led the launch of a multi-billion dollar new business development program, ran the analytics function at a small startup, and built HR analytics and survey infrastructure from the ground up for a fast growing company. She studied Adverse Work Experiences, adapted from Adverse Childhood Experiences, in her doctoral program in Industrial Organizational Psychology and is passionate about creating more humane workplaces.