Facing Death, Finding Life: Barbara McMurray on Death Doulas, Presence, and the Courage to Be Human — Fr. Will Crist and Barbara McMurray DescriptionWhat happens when we stop avoiding death and begin talking about it honestly, compassionately, and without fear?
In this moving episode of
The Heart of Laguna, Fr. Will Crist sits down with
Barbara McMurray, one of the founders of the
OC Death Workers Alliance, for a wide-ranging conversation about death doulas, grief, presence, community, and what it means to remain truly human in a fearful and distracted world.
Barbara describes how the OC Death Workers Alliance began around her dining room table and has grown into a broad community of death doulas, hospice workers, medical professionals, organizers, artists, and caregivers who are helping Orange County become more “death literate.” Together, she and Fr. Will explore the spiritual and emotional work of accompanying people through dying, the value of creating safe spaces to talk about death, and why being present may be one of the most healing gifts we can offer one another.
This conversation reaches far beyond death care. It touches on loneliness, fear, social media, belonging, resurrection, and the courage to listen deeply to one another. It is thoughtful, tender, and quietly transformative.
Show NotesIn this episode, Fr. Will Crist speaks with
Barbara McMurray, co-founder of the
OC Death Workers Alliance, about the work of death doulas and the growing movement to help people face death with greater honesty, preparation, and compassion.
They discuss how the Alliance began as an informal gathering of people working in death-related fields and has grown into a supportive network that includes death doulas, hospice nurses, physicians, artists, organizers, and others who care for people at the end of life. Barbara explains how this work can be emotionally intense and sometimes isolating, and why community among death workers matters.
The conversation also explores the role of fear in how people face death and how the simple presence of others can reduce suffering. Fr. Will and Barbara reflect on how being heard, understood, and accompanied can help people move from fear toward peace. They connect that same insight to the wider life of the community, asking how Laguna Beach can become a place where people are more present to one another in the face of grief, division, loneliness, and uncertainty.
Along the way, they talk about social media, death literacy, living funerals, the communion of saints, near-death experiences, and the importance of creating spaces where people can ask honest questions about mortality without shame or avoidance.
This is a rich and deeply human conversation about death, yes—but even more, it is about
life, love, community, and what it means not to be alone.
Topics covered include: - Death doulas and what they do
- The origins of the OC Death Workers Alliance
- Why death work can feel isolating
- How fear shapes the way people face dying
- The power of presence at the bedside
- Living funerals and new ways of honoring life before death
- How grief, remembrance, and celebration can coexist
- Social media, dehumanization, and the loss of real conversation
- The need for death literacy in modern life
- How communities can become more compassionate and less fearful
- Why being present may be the most important gift we offer one another
About the Show The Heart of Laguna is a weekly conversation from KXFM in Laguna Beach. Each episode explores what holds us together when the world feels like it’s coming apart—through stories, spirit, and service from the soul of the city.🎙 New episodes every Wednesday morning on KXFM at 8:00.