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Most people brag about leadership when things are working. When the check clears, the metrics are green, and applause is still flowing. But what happens when the spotlight shuts off… or your body betrays you… or life delivers a sentence most people don’t come back from?

In this episode, Dr. Paul “Paulie” Gavoni and AJ Rinaldi sit down with the legendary Paul Anthony — a global music icon turned three-time cancer champion — to explore what leadership looks like when everything that used to define you is gone… except your identity, your energy, and your behavior.

Paul’s reaction to a diagnosis labeled “fatal” wasn’t fear. It was clarity:

“I’m not changing sh*t.”
Not because he ignored reality — but because he refused to surrender the core of who he was.

This is an episode about identity under pressure, behavior under fire, and the type of leadership that can’t be faked because it’s lived.

🌟 Who Is Paul Anthony? 

Paul Anthony is a Grammy Award–certified producer, singer, songwriter, and cultural force from the legendary group FULL FORCE, with multiple Diamond, Platinum, and Gold records. He’s collaborated with icons like James Brown, Rihanna, Justin Timberlake, The Black Eyed Peas, Patti Labelle, Nicky Minaj, Britney Spears, Eminem, and more — and starred in the groundbreaking films House Party 1 & 2.

He helped introduce fitness and bodybuilding into hip-hop and pop culture long before it was mainstream.

And then life tested him again — not onstage, but in the hospital. He is now a three-time cancer champion, a two-time bone marrow transplant survivor, and a National Advisory Board member for Moffitt Cancer Center.

Paul isn’t just a creator of hits. He is a creator of hope, purpose, and behavioral leadership under the harshest conditions possible.

🕒 Timestamps & Key Moments

TimeTopic00:00 | Welcome to The Heart & Science of Leadership
02:10 | Paul Anthony’s early years, music career, and purpose
05:42 | The biopsy and the words “incurable and fatal”
06:18 | “I’m not changing sh*t” — decision over reaction
08:41 | Leadership as energy, not ego
11:52 | “This AND that” — ending scarcity thinking
13:10 | Thousands helped by his mindset and message
16:27 | What legacy looks like when it’s behavioral
19:05 | “I don’t need applause. I need impact.”
22:40 | The shift from entertainer to transformational leader
27:14 | Paul’s call to leaders: stop performing, start reinforcing lives

🧠 Leadership Takeaways 

• Behavior is identity. When pressure rises, reinforcement history is exposed.
• Leaders who stay anchored to values under stress create psychological safety for others.
• “This AND that” is a behavioral pivot — widening contingencies instead of shrinking choice.
• Legacy is measurable: it’s the behavior others repeat

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In this episode of The Heart & Science of Leadership Podcast, Dr. Paulie and Aj tackle one of the toughest challenges leaders face: change. They explore how change can feel like both an exciting opportunity and a sucker punch in the gut. Drawing on behavior science and real-world leadership experience, Paulie and Aj break down how leaders can navigate change effectively, turning disruption into growth. Whether you’re leading a team, department, or entire organization, this episode offers practical strategies and candid insights to help you manage change with confidence and clarity. Tune in for a fresh perspective on leading through the ups and downs of transformation. 

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Imagine leadership without feedback. It's like trying to navigate a ship without instruments or stars – virtually impossible. In this episode of The Heart & Science of Leadership Podcast, Dr. Paulie Gavoni and A.J. Rinaldi dive deep into one of the most misunderstood tools in a leader’s toolbox—feedback.

📢 Feedback isn't just a way to correct mistakes—it's a powerful lever for shaping culture, improving performance, and building trust. But too often, it's delivered haphazardly, inconsistently, or with the wrong intent.

Based on content from Dr. Paulie's best-selling book, The Feedback Effect, they explore:

• Why most leaders get feedback wrong
• The behavior science behind effective feedback loops
• Common myths that sabotage team performance
• Practical, actionable strategies to give (and get) feedback that actually works

Whether you're leading a team, managing a classroom, or coaching others to succeed, this episode breaks down how to use feedback not as a tool for control—but as a catalyst for growth.

🧠 It’s not just about saying something—it’s about shaping something.

Remember, leadership isn't about intent, it's about impact.

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In this episode, we sit down with communication strategist and leadership coach Salvatore J. Manzi, author of The Clear and Compelling Playbook. With over two decades of experience helping individuals and organizations elevate their presence and clarity, Salvatore shares powerful insights on how to lead with purpose, speak with intention, and create meaningful change—whether you’re in the boardroom, on stage, or navigating day-to-day conversations.

We explore what it really means to align your message with your mission, and how to bring your most authentic self to every interaction. From coaching top executives to guiding TEDx speakers, Salvatore brings a wealth of practical tools and behavioral insight to help leaders at every level communicate more effectively and connect more deeply.

Whether you're a seasoned leader or an emerging one, this conversation will challenge your assumptions, sharpen your skills, and remind you that real leadership is a daily practice—not a position.

🔗 Learn more and grab the book: clearandcompellingplaybook.com
🔗 Connect with Salvatore on LinkedIn: Salvatore J. Manzi | LinkedIn

🧠 Leadership is behavior. Let’s unlock it—and unleash potential. And remember, it's about impact, not title or intent!

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In this compelling episode, Dr. Paulie and co-host AJ Rinaldi engage with Kyle McDowell, a former Fortune 10 executive turned leadership coach and bestselling author of Begin With WE. Kyle shares his journey from leading tens of thousands in corporate America to pioneering a leadership philosophy centered on collective empowerment.

They delve into the pitfalls of "me-oriented" leadership and explore Kyle's "10 WEs" framework—principles designed to dismantle dysfunction and foster a culture of excellence. Through candid discussions, Kyle emphasizes the importance of authenticity, accountability, and leading by example to inspire teams and drive meaningful change.

Whether you're navigating the complexities of organizational leadership or seeking to cultivate a more inclusive and effective team environment, this episode offers actionable insights grounded in real-world experience.

🔑 Key Takeaways:

• Transitioning from individualistic to collective leadership mindsets
• Implementing the "10 WEs" to build cohesive and high-performing teams
• Embracing vulnerability and authenticity as leadership strengths
• Strategies for transforming toxic work cultures into thriving communities

For more on Kyle's leadership philosophy and resources, visit kylemcdowellinc.com.

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Leadership isn’t a title—it’s a behavior. And while there’s no shortage of leadership theories floating around, this episode goes beneath the surface. Dr. Paul “Paulie” Gavoni and A.J. Rinaldi take a sharp, scientific look at what truly drives leadership that works.

Instead of parroting popular slogans, they dig into the behaviors, decisions, and contingencies that make—or break—leaders. It’s not about charisma or command. It’s about the observable, measurable behaviors that produce real results.

“We’re not just talking about what leadership looks like—we’re talking about what it produces. That’s where the science comes in.” – Dr. Paulie Gavoni

Whether you’re running a school, leading a team, or just trying to lead yourself more effectively, this episode lays the behavioral groundwork.

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Ever wonder why some leaders instantly command respect while others struggle to get their message across? The secret lies not in what they say, but how they communicate it.

Communication represents the fundamental difference between leadership that merely directs and leadership that transforms. In this thought-provoking episode, Dr. Paul Gavoni and AJ Rinaldi unpack the five critical dimensions of leadership communication that drive organizational success: reinforcing for production, resolving for partnership, reciting for inspiration, reflecting for authenticity, and receiving for understanding.

The conversation reveals surprising insights about the science of human behavior, including the optimal 4:1 ratio of positive to corrective feedback and why our natural tendency to focus on problems actually undermines our leadership effectiveness. Both hosts candidly share their personal struggles with public speaking—once their greatest fear—and how they transformed this weakness into a strength through deliberate practice and mindset shifts.

Perhaps most powerfully, they challenge the common assumption that communication flows primarily downward in organizations. "When was the last time you directed positive feedback up the chain?" Dr. Gavoni asks, highlighting how true communication creates a culture of mutual respect that flows in all directions. Through practical examples, compelling research, and memorable stories, this episode provides a comprehensive framework for communication that builds trust, resolves conflict, and inspires exceptional performance.

Whether you're leading a small team or an entire organization, these evidence-based communication strategies will help you move beyond good intentions to create lasting impact. After all, as the hosts remind us, leadership isn't about title or intent—it's about impact.

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John Maxwell once said, “If you think you're leading and no one is following, you're just taking a walk.” Leadership isn’t about titles—it’s about the team you build, develop, and inspire. In this episode, we’re breaking down the 5 P’s of Team Building—Pursuing, Promoting, Purging, Pushing, and Pulling—to help you create a high-performing team that doesn’t just follow but thrives.

From attracting top talent to making tough calls on underperformance, from fueling motivation to inspiring action, we dive deep into the behavioral science behind effective leadership. Join us as we explore the strategies that separate real leaders from those just taking a walk.

🎧 Tune in and learn how to build a team that wins—together.

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The Behavioral Toolbox  equips those charged with supporting behavior change in schools with practical applications of the science of human behavior for making a positive difference in the workplace. In this case, the classroom and school!

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Unlock the secrets to impactful leadership with insights from Dr. Paul "Paulie" Gavoni and AJ Rinaldi. Discover how real leadership transcends titles and transforms cultures by focusing on influence and authenticity. Dr. Paulie reveals his journey from social work to leadership, driven by a passion for improving leadership practices. Meanwhile, AJ shares his wealth of experience in youth work and education, inspired by the wisdom of John Maxwell. Together, they offer a fresh perspective on the nuanced dance between leadership and management, urging us to look beyond mere positions to the heart of influence.

This episode promises to equip you with practical tools and real-world examples to enhance your leadership skills, no matter your formal position. Embark on a journey with us to redefine leadership as a set of behaviors that can transform not only organizations but also lives.

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The Behavioral Toolbox  equips those charged with supporting behavior change in schools with practical applications of the science of human behavior for making a positive difference in the workplace. In this case, the classroom and school!

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BCBAs and RBTs enter the field to create meaningful change for learners, but more and more is being dumped on their backs, draining their energy and impacting the quality of care. This burden also sucks the life out of leaders, making it harder to retain talent and maintain high standards. But what if there was a way to ease the load while enhancing outcomes?

In this episode, Michael Gao, an innovative software developer, and my authentic friend Christina Morales, CEO of Piece of the Puzzle and founder of the IQR Group, explore how cutting-edge technology is reshaping behavior analysis.

We discuss Michael's game-changing platform, successfully piloted by Christina, that uses AI tools like Alpaca Assistant to automate administrative tasks, from session notes to intakes, allowing professionals to focus on what truly matters. Christina also shares her inspiring journey as an autism mom, driving her to create inclusive organizations like Piece of the Puzzle and Believe and Achieve. Together, we highlight the challenges of scaling ABA services and emphasize the critical role of leadership, systems, and innovation in sustaining growth while embedding values like inclusion and respect.

If you're ready to see how technology can reduce workload, improve efficiency, and help behavior analysis professionals rediscover their passion, tune in—and don't forget to check out Christina’s podcast, Know Yourself to Grow Yourself, for more leadership and personal growth insights!

About the guests:

Michael Gao is the Founder and CEO of Alpaca Health. They are developing Alpaca Assistant, the last admin hire for ABA agencies. To try Alpaca Assistant's session note-generation feature, head over to www.alpacahealth.io.

Christina Morales, an Autism mom, BCBA, and the CEO of Piece of the Puzzle Behavior Analysis, is a truly authentic leader and a dear friend. Her work is driven by her personal journey with her son, Vinny, and her unwavering dedication to supporting individuals with disabilities. Christina also founded the IQR Group, which includes impactful initiatives like Bumblebee Academy, an inclusive learning center; PACE, a life and social skills program for teens; Believe & Achieve, a nonprofit fostering acceptance and awareness; and Include & Connect, a resource hub for families. Her passion and authenticity shine through in everything she does.

Pick up a copy of the #1 bestseller: Adaptive Intelligence: The Evolution of Emotional Intelligence Through the Proven Power of Behavior Science

The Behavioral Toolbox  equips those charged with supporting behavior change in schools with practical applications of the science of human behavior for making a positive difference in the workplace. In this case, the classroom and school!

Be sure to subscribe to Dr. Paulie's Heart & Science YouTube channel for a variety of content related to behavior science and bringing out the best in yourself and others.