In this episode of the Heating Up podcast, hosts Sasha, Mike, and Sarah deliver a comprehensive breakdown of the AFC heading into the 2025/26 NFL season. From Lamar Jackson’s MVP potential to Tank Dell’s injury fallout and the Bills’ depth questions, the crew brings a mix of humor, sharp analysis, and betting strategies.

The hosts dissect each division — spotlighting the AFC North as the league’s most talented, the AFC West’s coaching drama, and the AFC South’s chaos — while debating playoff chances for the Patriots and Dolphins. They also highlight the Chiefs’ sustained dominance, Herbert’s make-or-break year, and whether the Raiders can find consistency. Tottenham’s hot start in the Premier League makes a cameo as the conversation stretches across football, betting, and even a wings debate.

By the end, listeners leave with division winner predictions, betting leans, and futures insights, alongside plenty of laughs and sidebars.

📌 Takeaways

NFL Season Approaches: AFC competition is fierce across all four divisions.

AFC North = Best Division: Ravens, Bengals, Browns, Steelers all have paths to success.

Chiefs Still the Team to Beat: Despite offseason adjustments.

Chargers Hinged on Herbert: His development defines their season.

Raiders Unpredictable: Could implode or surprise with consistency.

AFC South = Chaos: Jaguars favored, but Titans/Colts/Texans are shaky.

Patriots & Bills Outlook: Easier Pats schedule could push them into playoffs; Bills remain strong but shallow.

Betting Leans: Bills and Ravens futures are especially interesting.

Tottenham Sidebar: Hot start energizes soccer fans.

Humor & Side Conversations: From Taylor Swift tie-ins to a flats vs. drums chicken wing battle.

🕒 Chapters

00:00 NFL Season Anticipation

00:01 NFL Season Preview: AFC Breakdown

06:22 Tottenham’s Premier League Performance and Soccer Insights

13:47 AFC North Predictions and Team Analysis

21:13 AFC West: Chiefs, Chargers, and Broncos Discussion

25:30 Aging Stars and Team Dynamics

29:30 AFC South Predictions: A Division in Flux

33:01 Travis Hunter: Dual Position Dilemma

38:20 AFC East: The Battle for Supremacy

45:32 Coaching Impact: The Variable Effect

46:25 Buffalo Bills: Strengths and Concerns

48:44 Expectations for the Bills This Season

50:16 Preseason Insights and Predictions

51:21 Pop Culture and Sports: The Taylor Swift Connection

52:58 Refereeing Technology and Its Impact

55:45 Wings Debate: Flats vs. Drums

59:02 Division Winners and Conference Predictions

01:03:49 Heat Check: Betting Insights and Predictions

Football is officially back — and so are the snap judgments, hot takes, and overreactions. In this episode of the Heating Up Podcast, the crew dives deep into NFL preseason storylines, starting with the Hard Knocks spotlight on the Buffalo Bills and Josh Allen hurdling his way into the likes of canonized Saints. Injury updates, rookie performances, and quarterback controversies keep the conversation heated as the season draws closer.

But it’s not just football this week. We break down the drama on the golf course with Tommy Fleetwood’s near-misses and JJ Spaun’s playoff brilliance, and turn our attention to the Premier League’s long-awaited return. And yes, the viral quarterback attractiveness rankings make their way into the show, sparking hilarious debate and disbelief.

Plus — Shohei Otani’s legal troubles, our betting picks for Arsenal vs. Manchester United, and a few personal betting stories you won’t want to miss. Whether you’re here for the sports analysis, the inside jokes, or the unfiltered banter, this episode delivers.

Takeaways

• Football is back — and fans are making instant calls on their team’s season before Week 1.

• Josh Allen’s Madden 99 Club moment fuels Bills Mafia hype.

• Hard Knocks reveals Buffalo’s player personalities and behind-the-scenes dynamics.

• Injuries loom large over preseason optimism.

• Golf playoffs bring heartbreak for Tommy Fleetwood and glory for JJ Spawn.

• The Premier League’s return sets the stage for global soccer drama.

• Ronaldo’s move to Saudi Arabia raises competitiveness questions.

• QB attractiveness rankings spark one of the strangest debates in NFL offseason history.

• Shohei Otani’s legal issues cloud his on-field brilliance.

• Arsenal vs. Manchester United presents intriguing betting opportunities.

Chapters

00:00 — Introduction to the Heating Up Podcast

04:09 — Preseason Football: Excitement and Expectations

09:33 — Quarterback Controversies and Team Dynamics

19:20 — Early Access to Madden 26

22:51 — The Impact of Hard Knocks on Fans

24:25 — Buffalo’s Football Culture

25:46 — Injuries and Player Dynamics

27:24 — Fantasy Football Predictions

29:10 — Golf Insights and Betting

30:35 — Golf Playoffs and Performances

33:27 — Soccer Updates and Player Transfers

36:42 — Navigating Peer Pressure and Commitment

37:05 — Tech Troubles and Work Frustrations

37:33 — Attractiveness Rankings in Sports

38:33 — Debating Quarterback Attractiveness

40:04 — Shocking Rankings and Personal Preferences

41:52 — Analyzing the Bottom of the Rankings

43:49 — Grappling with Subjective Attractiveness

45:45 — Shohei Otani’s Legal Troubles

47:37 — Betting Insights and Predictions

The Heating Up crew is back with a banger — diving into Cowboys chaos, Yankees collapse, and a whole lot of football futures.

 First up: Micah Parsons reportedly wants out of Dallas?! The hosts break down what this means for the Cowboys, the state of the locker room, and why Jerry Jones can’t stop stealing headlines.

Meanwhile, the New York Yankees are somehow still in freefall. Bad management, bad vibes, and no answers in sight. Is it time to hit the reset button?

Across the pond, Tottenham says goodbye to another legend, and the Premier League reshuffle is officially in full swing.

Injury updates from NFL training camps — especially in Buffalo — are raising alarm bells as fans hope to survive the preseason without losing half the roster.

 Finally, the episode wraps with NFL futures bets, preseason predictions, and betting picks for the upcoming week.

🧠 CHAPTERS / TIMESTAMPS

00:00 – Introduction and Current Sports Landscape

01:14 – Mike’s Unique Podcasting Situation

06:37 – Cowboys Drama and Micah Parsons’ Trade Request

09:50 – Jerry Jones and Team Management Issues

12:15 – Yankees Struggles and Management Critique

18:39 – Injuries and Team Dynamics in the NFL

23:30 – Wrap-Up and Final Thoughts

25:45 – The Legacy of Derek Jeter

27:51 – Farewell to a Tottenham Legend

29:38 – The Impact of Player Transfers

31:19 – Asian Soccer Icons

🏈 TAKEAWAYS

• Micah Parsons’ rumored trade request could unravel the Cowboys’ defense.

• Jerry Jones continues to prioritize headlines over locker room stability.

• The Yankees are in managerial freefall with no end in sight.

• Tottenham’s player turnover signals the end of an era.

• NFL preseason is already exposing key injuries and conditioning gaps.

• Betting on NFL futures offers a strategic offseason edge.

• Player negotiations and drawn-out contracts are testing team dynamics.

• The podcast blends serious breakdowns with irreverent humor and anecdotes.

🔊 SOUND BITES

• “We’re sick of this shit.”

• “It’s rivalry week, baby!”

• “You can’t have the dildos out.”

• “Parsons wants OUT?! That’s wild.”

• “The Yankees are dead inside.”

• “Tottenham fans, grab a tissue.”

This week on Heating Up, Sasha, Sara, and Mike tackle the dog days of the NFL offseason with equal parts sarcasm and analysis.

🏀 First up: Luka Dončić’s body transformation has the hosts buzzing. From “puffy” to power forward material — is Luka finally ready to take that leap?

🏈 Then it’s on to the NFL, where Desmond Watson’s 400+ lb frame, Josh Allen’s Madden 99 Club status, and a growing list of training camp injuries are dominating the headlines. From turf toe to soft tissue freakouts, the preseason is already hurting teams’ Super Bowl dreams.

📺 The Buffalo Bills get the Hard Knocks treatment, and the hosts aren’t sure if it’s a good omen or a jinx in disguise.

⚰️ Celebrity deaths are briefly (and darkly) discussed, sparking debate on fame, mortality, and podcast pick ‘ems.

🧠 Later, the crew breaks down NFL team dynamics, fantasy football innovations, and contract drama — all while transitioning from the Tour de France letdown to full-on football mode.

💰As always, they wrap with betting strategies and picks for the week, because what’s football season without a little sweat?

🧠 CHAPTERS / TIMESTAMPS

00:00 – Summer Sports Update: Luka Dončić’s Transformation

02:04 – NFL Training Camp Insights: Desmond Watson’s Journey

05:03 – Josh Allen’s Madden 99 Club Announcement

08:02 – Injury Concerns: NFL Preseason Woes

15:01 – Injury Insights and Turf Toe Explained

16:20 – Celebrity Losses and the Impact of Fame

17:34 – The Dark Humor of Celebrity Death Predictions

19:18 – Buffalo Bills Hard Knocks and Team Dynamics

21:30 – Training Camp Updates and Player Performances

27:50 – Dallas Cowboys Injury Concerns and Roster Moves

30:19 – Contract Implications and Player Mindset

31:11 – Injury Updates and Team Dynamics

31:50 – Expectations and Fan Sentiment

32:47 – Player Personalities and Off-Field Behavior

33:59 – Innovative Fantasy Football Rules

38:19 – Tour de France Recap and Transition to Football

40:00 – Betting Strategies and Insights

46:49 – Closing Thoughts and Future Outlook

🏈 KEY TAKEAWAYS

Luka Dončić’s physical transformation is a talking point for sports and fan culture.

Desmond Watson’s size raises health and positional effectiveness questions in the NFL.

NFL training camps bring both optimism and red flags (especially for injuries).

Josh Allen earning 99 Club status is huge for Buffalo — both symbolically and competitively.

Celebrity deaths affect the sports world too — and the hosts have thoughts.

Hard Knocks can elevate or doom a team’s season narrative.

Creative fantasy football rules can refresh leagues and engagement.

The Tour de France’s end marks the true beginning of football focus.

Betting remains central to fan experience — and the hosts are here to help.

🔊 SOUND BITES “Luka Dončić is jacked!”

“I would be shocked.”

“I felt so smart.”

“Desmond Watson is the whole defensive line.”

“Bills fans — this might actually be the year. Or not.”

“From Tour de France to turf toe. Let’s go.”

It’s the dog days of summer, but the mics are still hot on Heating Up. In this episode, the crew breaks down the MLB All-Star game, reflects on the cultural loss of Ozzy Osbourne, and questions why award shows just can’t seem to get it right anymore.

 First, it’s a midsummer classic recap as the MLB All-Star game delivers both nostalgia and some new gripes.

 Then, we pour one out for the Prince of Darkness himself — Ozzy Osbourne — and reflect on how celebrity deaths hit in the sports world too.

 From there, we shift to the WNBA, where discussions about pay gaps and promotion continue to heat up. What’s holding back women’s sports, and what needs to change?

 The Tour de France remains full of intrigue, wild moments, and yes — betting challenges. We’ve got thoughts and picks.

 Finally, we wrap up with some betting strategies, predictions for upcoming games, and that familiar countdown to football season. (It’s so close we can taste it.)

🧠 CHAPTERS / TIMESTAMPS

00:00 – Introduction to the Episode and Current Sports Vibes

00:32 – Summer Sports and the MLB All-Star Game

05:15 – Reflections on Ozzy Osbourne and Celebrity Deaths

09:25 – The ESPYs and the Need for Humor in Award Shows

13:37 – WNBA Discussions and Pay Gap Conversations

16:03 – The Business of Women’s Sports

19:03 – Media and Player Dynamics

23:16 – The Need for Drama in Sports

25:40 – Player Recognition and Marketability

27:28 – Transfer News and Team Dynamics

30:50 – Aging Stars in the NBA

33:41 – Tour de France Insights and Betting Challenges

38:40 – Sportsmanship and Controversies in Cycling

42:52 – Betting Strategies and Predictions for Upcoming Events

🎯 KEY TAKEAWAYS

• The MLB All-Star Game still matters, but the format could use a refresh.

• The passing of Ozzy Osbourne stirred up feelings of nostalgia and generational shift.

• Award shows need humor and self-awareness to stay relevant.

• WNBA players continue to fight for equitable pay and visibility.

• Women’s sports face media and structural challenges despite major talent.

• Tour de France is unpredictable, messy, and perfect for betting chaos.

• The hosts blend humor, insight, and personal takes across all topics.

• Everyone is just trying to make it to football season — but the ride there is wild.

🔊 SOUND BITES

• “Ozzy Osbourne’s dead.”

• “Team Jonas till we die.”

• “Football is almost back.”

• “Betting on summer sports is like spinning a roulette wheel.”

• “Award shows just don’t get it anymore.”

• “The WNBA needs a bigger stage.”

 CHAPTERS / TIMESTAMPS KEY TAKEAWAYS SOUND BITES (SHORTS / REELS / PROMOS)

It might be the slowest week in sports, but that doesn’tmean we’re slowing down. On this episode of Heating Up, Sasha and crew embrace the chaos — turning a light schedule into heavy laughs, hot takes, and a ride through sports history, streaming culture, and dinner with legends.

📺 First up: What happens when sports disappear from the schedule? The crew talks streaming services, sports documentaries, and how we all fill that offseason void.

🏈 Then it’s on to QB talk— are they brilliant on the field but goofy off it? And what do we make of how they’re presented in media?

⚾ The Home Run Derby gets roasted (respectfully). The format is messy, the pace is chaotic, and we’ve got ideas for how to fix it.

👑 LeBron trade rumors are bubbling again — this time with Dallas. Is there any reality to the noise?

🍽️ The episode closes with one of the most entertaining segments yet: Which athletes, living or dead, would you invite to dinner? From Babe Ruth to Doc Gooden to Dustin Poirier, it gets nostalgic, hilarious, and a little chaotic.

🚴‍♂️And yes, there’s betting. We close with picks for the Tour de France and upcoming UFC events, because even in the offseason, you’ve got to ride the Heat Check.

🧠 CHAPTERS / TIMESTAMPS

00:00 – Introduction to the Darkest Week in Sports

00:22 – Streaming Services and Sports Absence

02:12 – Discussion on Quarterbacks and Their Intelligence

04:08 – Home Run Derby Recap and Format Critique

09:37 – The Future of Sports Formats and Nostalgia

19:21 – LeBron James Trade Rumors and Speculations

21:21 – LeBron’s Future and Team Dynamics

24:29 – Luka’s Potential and Team Comparisons

28:10 – Athlete Comparisons and Physical Attributes

29:35 – NFL Betting Insights and Strategies

32:20 – Dinner with Legends: A Fun Thought Experiment

34:40 – Athletes and Their Wild Nights

37:10 – Dinner Guests: Who Would You Choose?

40:58 – Sports Legends and Their Stories

42:01 – The Return of Sports: Preseason Excitement

45:36 – Tour de France Update: The Race Continues

49:54 – Jonas Brothers and Their Impact

53:01 – The Lesser-Known Jonas Brother

53:57 – American Idol and Its Legacy

58:55 – Political Aspirations of Former Contestants

59:52 – Betting on Sports: Tour de France and UFC

🎯 KEY TAKEAWAYS

Streaming fills the gap during slow sports weeks — but westill miss the games.

Quarterbacks are intelligent athletes, but not alwaysmedia-polished.

The Home Run Derby needs a visual and pacing overhaul.

LeBron-to-Dallas rumors spark fun hypotheticals — even ifthey’re unlikely.

Dinner with athletes like Babe Ruth, Doc Gooden, or Poirier= storytelling gold.

Preseason and the Tour de France bring hope and bettingopportunities.

Nostalgia, banter, and betting fuel the off-week energy.

🔊 SOUND BITES

“It’s the darkest week in sports.”

“He sounds so dumb.”

“We need to clean up the format.”

“Dinner with Babe Ruth would be chaos.”

“There’s always something to bet on.”

“Tour de France is so much more than a bike race.”

This week on Heating Up, Sasha and Sara hold down the fort while Mike’s away and still bring the 🔥. From the NBA to international soccer to the open roads of France, it’s another whirlwind episode full of takes, laughs, and unexpected turns.

🏀 The Knicks made a coaching hire, but does it inspire confidence… or more anxiety? Fans remain divided.

🏌️‍♂️ Meanwhile, LeBron James is trying his hand at golf — and whether he’s any good or not, it’s must-watch content.

⚾ The Yankees continue their slow-motion collapse, and the crew isn’t holding back on what needs to change in the Bronx.

🚴 The Tour de France is underway, and Lance Armstrong is somehow back in the conversation. Is it redemption or regression?

⚽ Over in the Gold Cup, the US Men’s National Team crashes out to Mexico in disappointing fashion, once again leaving fans with questions about the program’s future.

🎯 As always, the episode wraps with Heat Check betting picks for the week — because even in a quiet sports month, there’s always something to ride with.

🧠 CHAPTERS / TIMESTAMPS

00:00 – Introduction to the Heating Up Podcast

03:28 – NBA Coaching Changes and Team Dynamics

06:04 – LeBron James Takes Up Golf

10:46 – MLB Struggles: Yankees’ Performance

12:29 – Tour de France Update and Insights

14:44 – Rivalries and Personalities in Cycling

17:40 – The Impact of Lance Armstrong on Cycling

22:38 – US Soccer’s Struggles and Future Prospects

28:26 – Upcoming Sports Events and Betting Insights

🎯 KEY TAKEAWAYS

The Knicks’ coaching hire is polarizing, with fans split on its long-term impact.

LeBron playing golf is pure entertainment — for better or worse.The Yankees are having a brutal season, and the issues are deeper than the box score.

The Tour de France remains one of the most grueling and iconic sporting events.

Lance Armstrong’s reappearance raises questions — again.US Soccer’s Gold Cup loss to Mexico highlights ongoing inconsistency.

The betting segment adds strategic insight for sports fans all summer long.

The tone stays funny, conversational, and packed with genuine takes.

🔊 SOUND BITES “Mike is not here this week.”

“LeBron is golfing now.”

“We always keep it a good time.”

“The Yankees might actually be broken.”

“This Tour is 2200 miles — and it’s insane.”

“Lance Armstrong… we’re talking about him again?!”

On this week’s episode of Heating Up, Sasha and Mike dive into the madness of the NBA offseason, starting with a chaotic draft that shook up rosters and expectations. From shocking picks to head-scratching trades, we break down what teams got right — and what they definitely didn’t.

 But the drama doesn’t stop there. The sports world continues to be rocked by gambling scandals, with a deeper look into Malik Beasley’s situation and what it means for the league at large.

 In the NFL, surprise trades are changing the landscape. The guys analyze the latest roster moves and explore which teams are quietly building something big.

 Plus, LeBron talk (because of course), the growing problem of inflated NBA contracts, and… yeah, the Liver King. What is going on with fitness influencers, celebrity culture, and why are athletes getting sucked in?

 The episode wraps up with another Heat Check, filled with betting insights for the degens and dreamers alike.

 CHAPTERS / TIMESTAMPS

00:00 – NBA Draft Breakdown

05:16 – Player Trades and Team Strategies

10:00 – Gambling Scandals in Sports

15:02 – LeBron’s Future and Team Dynamics

19:59 – The State of the NBA and Future Predictions

23:23 – The Gambling Scandal in Sports

24:12 – The Impact of Gambling on Player Performance

25:55 – Betting on Oneself: Ethics and Risks

26:40 – The Consequences of Gambling in Professional Sports

30:32 – NFL Trades and Player Movements

32:40 – The Liver King Controversy

35:38 – Breaking News: NBA Contracts and Player Extensions

39:12 – Heat Check: Betting Insights and Predictions

KEY TAKEAWAYS

• The NBA Draft brought major surprises and questionable picks.

• Gambling scandals are starting to tarnish the league’s reputation.

• Malik Beasley’s case brings up questions of ethics and enforcement.

• NFL offseason trades are already shaking up locker rooms.

• LeBron’s long-term future and the cost of superstardom loom large.

• Liver King’s controversy reveals the mess of sports-meets-influencer culture.

• Some NBA contracts are ballooning out of control — but why?

• Betting is more than entertainment — it’s a new layer of strategy for fans.

 SOUND BITES (REELS / SHORTS / PROMO CLIPS)

• “This draft class is already weird.”

• “The Malik Beasley thing is just the tip of the iceberg.”

• “You’re betting on yourself — but at what cost?”

• “Why is the Liver King even involved in sports culture?”

• “NFL trades this offseason are wild.”

• “Some of these NBA extensions are just criminal.”

On this week’s Heating Up, it’s time to celebrate — or commiserate. The Oklahoma City Thunder are officially your NBA Champions, and Sasha, Sara, Mike, and special guest Chad are breaking it all down. From Game Seven’s electric energy to Tyrese Haliburton’s devastating injury, we explore how it all went down and what’s next for both teams.

Longtime OKC superfan Chad joins to share what this title means after years of heartbreak.

Then it’s bombshell time: Kevin Durant is headed to the Rockets. What does it mean for the West? Is Houston actually a contender?

Plus, we give a shout to the Stanley Cup champions and reflect on what makes championship moments so memorable — even if they aren’t your team.

 And if you’ve ever been to a Yankees game, you’ll relate to our hot dog-fueled breakdown of the fan experience (and occasional despair).

 The hosts also check in on summer family chaos and vacations gone wrong, before closing with Heat Check: your weekly betting boost.

 CHAPTERS / TIMESTAMPS

00:00 – NBA Finals Recap: Thunder’s Triumph

14:54 – The Future of the Thunder: A New Dynasty?

28:37 – Reflections on the NBA Season and Player Performances

29:53 – Kevin Durant’s Trade: Implications for the Rockets

31:28 – Celebrating Championships: The Joy of Winning

36:44 – Experiences at Yankee Stadium: A Fan’s Perspective

39:45 – Family Dynamics and Summer Adventures

42:18 – Betting Insights and Predictions for Upcoming Games

44:56 – Looking Ahead: NBA Draft and Team Strategies

 KEY TAKEAWAYS SOUND BITES (SHORTS / REELS / PROMOS)

• The Thunder’s championship raises questions about how Halliburton’s injury shaped the Finals.

• OKC’s young core and depth set the stage for a possible dynasty.

• Chad finally gets to enjoy a title after years of loyal OKC fandom.

• Kevin Durant’s trade to Houston could shift the balance of power in the West.

• Stanley Cup celebrations are always special — even when your team’s not in it.

• The Yankees fan experience continues to be an emotional rollercoaster.

• Summer vacations can be just as chaotic as the sports world.

• Heat Check betting picks return to keep the offseason spicy.

• “This has to be a big day for you.”

• “The crowd was never out of it.”

• “I paid for this trip!”

• “KD to Houston changes everything.”

• “Summer sports means summer bets.”

• “That’s what being a fan is all about.”

On this week’s episode of Heating Up, Sasha and Sara are back to break down another wild week in sports. The Oklahoma City Thunder are now up 3-2 in the NBA Finals, but injuries, trades, and coaching drama are shifting the landscape fast. Can the Pacers rally one more time? And will the Knicks ever find someone who wants to coach them?

 JJ Spaun surprises the golf world with a gritty win at the U.S. Open, while Rory McIlroy battles an identity crisis in real time. The hosts get personal about the mental game of golf, pressure, and the job-like grind of pro sports.

 Meanwhile, the Stanley Cup Finals continue to deliver, and baseball trades are heating up — including some Rafael Devers drama.

 Plus: Cycling season is peaking, Blasl’s Best Bets are back, and as always, we close with the Heat Check.

 Timestamps / Chapters:

00:00 – NBA Finals Excitement

09:46 – Coaching Chaos in the NBA

14:51 – US Open Highlights

15:50 – The Challenge of Golf Courses

16:56 – Rory McIlroy’s Identity Crisis

19:01 – The Future of Rory McIlroy

20:55 – Stanley Cup Finals Excitement

23:08 – Baseball Trade Drama (Rafael Devers)

25:06 – Cycling Season & Tour de France Preview

29:01 – Heat Check: Blasl’s Best Bets

 Key Takeaways:

• The Thunder lead the Finals 3-2, but the Pacers aren’t done yet.

• Desmond Bane traded to the Magic?! Big implications.

• Knicks keep getting curved by top coaching candidates.

• JJ Spaun’s US Open win highlights golf’s brutal mental game.

• Rory’s struggling, and it’s deeper than just a swing.

• Stanley Cup action is electric.

• Devers drama adds to MLB trade buzz.

• Cycling is back on the radar as the Tour approaches.

• Betting = passion, strategy, and pain — we live it so you don’t have to.

 Sound Bites (Shorts / Promos / Reels):

• “The Thunder are up 3-2!”

• “JJ Spaun won the U.S. Open!”

• “Golf is so brutal — it’s too relatable.”

• “This is your job. Get it together, Rory.”

• “I just want more sports, is that so wrong?”

• “Good riddance to Thibs.”