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In this episode we talk to Lewis Liu — former Google engineer who worked on Gemini from Palm through Gemini 2.5 Pro, now leading agent work at Microsoft.

We cover a lot of ground:
• What an AI agent actually is (and why most startups are just wrapping an LLM)
• His AGI timeline: about 3 years
• Why he thinks open source will win over proprietary models
• The consolidation and "bloodbath" coming to AI startups in the next few years
• Why embodied AI / robots are much harder than people think
• Healthcare and education as the next big AI disruption
• His journey from engineer to product leader at Google, then to Microsoft for agents
• What business leaders should actually do about AI (his answer: just start using it, don't wait for a consultant)

Lewis also shares some opinions that might not sit well with everyone, like why he uses Chinese open source models to power his personal agents, his view on US vs China AI competition, and why he believes the "walled garden" approach to AI won't win long term.

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👉 Apple Podcast https://podcasts.apple.com/de/podcast/the-hidden-switch/id1884506830?l=en-GB

Connect with Lewis Liu:
Website: https://lewisliu.ai
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lewisxl/
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🎙️ In this episode:

• 00:00:00 What is an AI agent?
• 00:03:00 Are we there yet?
• 00:06:00 AGI in 3 years?
• 00:09:00 Open source vs proprietary
• 00:15:00 We're out of training data — what's next?
• 00:19:00 Embodied AI & the physical world
• 00:25:00 The AI startup bloodbath
• 00:30:00 Prompt engineering → Context engineering → Loop engineering
• 00:38:00 AI in healthcare & education
• 00:44:00 Why open source wins
• 00:54:00 US vs China AI race
• 00:58:00 GPU chips & compute concentration
• 01:00:00 Lewis's story: Google → Microsoft
• 01:04:00 Underrated AI opportunities
• 01:08:00 Advice for business owners

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#LewisLiu #Gemini #GoogleGemini #GoogleDeepMind #PaLM #MicrosoftAI #AIAgents #AgenticAI #WhatIsAnAIAgent #AGI #AGITimeline #ArtificialGeneralIntelligence #AITrainingData #SyntheticData #OutOfTrainingData #ScalingLaws #WorldModels #EmbodiedAI #HumanoidRobots #PhysicalAI #AIStartups #AIBubble #LLMWrapper #opensourceai

Everyone is hyping up AGI, but walking around and looking cool in sci-fi clips doesn't generate real economic value. The next decade of AI isn't about humanoids; it’s about automation hitting our everyday lives and homes.

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In this episode, I sit down with Zhang Zhixiang, founder of Legend Robot, a Chinese leader in construction robotics. He reveals why China leads the world in building automation, shares his 20–50 year timeline for human-level robots, and busts the biggest myth: robots don’t need to look like humans to be powerful.

Zhang shares his first-hand insights into the global robotics landscape, arguing China holds a top global position in construction automation across efficiency, quality and cost metrics. He addresses the core industry challenge: most robots only mimic human moves, lacking the ability to deliver real economic value and replace labor effectively.

We explore:
◼ Why construction robots will go mainstream in 3–5 years
◼ His take on Agentic AI, AGI & humanoid robots
◼ Why he started building robots to save construction workers from dangerous labor
◼ Key advice for anyone joining the robotics industry in 2026

Connect with Zhang Zhixiang:
Website: https://www.legendrobot.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/legend-robot-technology/

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🎙️ In this episode:
00:00 – AGI will arrive in at least 10 years

03:26 – Human-level intelligent robots take 20–50 years to develop

03:37 – The biggest industry gap: Robots only mimic motions, not real labor replacement

05:08 – Simple home service robots will enter households in 3–5 years

06:06 – Ranking hot tech: Agentic AI underrated, AGI & Digital Twin overrated

06:23 – Biggest public myth: Robots don’t need human-shaped bodies

10:56 – Refuse to pause AI development; tech progress is inevitable

11:26 – Passion is the top advice for new robotics & AI entrants in 2026

👉 How long do you think it will take before robots handle most construction work? Let us know in the comments!

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The massive shift looming over 2026 isn't trade wars or tariffs—it's a deep misunderstanding between the world's two largest economies, costing billions in lost opportunity.

Emily Chang, a 26‑year veteran of P&G, Apple, and Starbucks China, now CCO of Chagee, reveals a new reality: Chinese brands going global, American consumers embracing Eastern traditions, and a generation more curious than ever.

In this conversation, Emily traces her journey as a "third culture" executive bridging East and West. She unpacks why the old Western playbook for China is dead, how Chinese brands are rewriting global expansion, why the $100 billion US tea market is massively overlooked, and what it really takes to build a 100‑year brand in an algorithm‑driven world.

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Website: social-legacy.com

🎙️ In this episode:

• 00:00:00 00:00:35 Guest Introduction
• 00:00:35 00:02:15 The Third-Culture Executive & US-China Misconceptions
• 00:02:15 00:07:40 Cultural Contrast: Tea vs. Coffee & Reverse Global Consumer Trends
• 00:07:40 00:10:35 The Spare Room: Emily’s Book & Social Legacy Philosophy
• 00:10:35 00:14:50 Chagee’s Global Expansion Strategy & Brand Positioning
• 00:14:50 00:21:20 Reinventing the “Third Place” for Modern Tea Houses
• 00:21:20 00:31:00 Rules & Pitfalls for Chinese Brands Going Global
• 00:31:00 00:41:30 Counter-Traditional Leadership & Modern Career Mindsets
• 00:41:30 00:51:40 Tech, AI & Community Marketing for Chagee
• 00:51:40 00:54:10 Industry Pressures & North American Performance Outlook
• 00:54:10 01:02:30 Future Outlook & Cross-Cultural Advice for All Audiences

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The massive tech shift of 2026 isn't just about how smart AI will get, but about a radical new reality: robots and autonomous agents legally owning their own assets.

Yat Siu, the visionary tech pioneer and Co-Founder of Web3 giant Animoca Brands, reveals how the tech landscape of 2026 is shifting toward a massive "Agentic Economy." But he delivers a stark, urgent warning: without digital property rights, the entire AI revolution is doomed to FAIL, leaving us trapped under Big Tech’s total monopoly.

In this conversation, Yat takes us from his childhood roots behind Checkpoint Charlie during the Cold War to building one of the world's most influential Web3 ecosystems from Hong Kong. We dive deep into why traditional internet business models are dying, how Big Tech is weaponizing our data for free to fuel their AI engines, and why giving AI agents true property rights is the essential plumbing needed to bridge the modern AI wealth gap and make everyone a true tech shareholder.

Connect with Yat Siu & Animoca Brands:
Website: https://www.animocabrands.com/
X (Twitter): https://x.com/ysiu
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/yatsiu/

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🎙️ In this episode:

• 00:00:00 The Three Forces Defining 2026
• 00:04:00 Growing Up Behind the Iron Curtain: Checkpoint Charlie & Worldview
• 00:09:30 Three Systems, Three Lessons in Capitalism (Europe, US & HK)
• 00:13:30 Digital Property Rights: The Missing Foundation of the Internet
• 00:21:00 Can We All Be Capitalists? The True Mission of Web3
• 00:28:00 The Hidden Value of Your Data (And Why It Decays Like Food)
• 00:34:00 Music, Patterns, and Human Empathy: Training a Tech CEO Mind
• 00:40:00 Why Web3 & Blockchain Were Built for Machines, Not Humans
• 00:48:00 The Agentic Economy: Managing 30–100 AI Agents Per Person
• 00:56:00 Platforms Are the New Command Economies: The New Feudalism
• 01:02:00 The Apple Tax and Corporate Exploitation of Modern Creators
• 01:08:00 Reimagining Future Economies: Transforming Users Into Stakeholders
• 01:14:00 Axie Infinity, NFTs, and Web3's Brutal Reality Check
• 01:20:00 Geopolitics: Hong Kong, China, and the U.S. Tech Rivalry
• 01:24:00 The Rise of Sovereign AI Clouds & Parallel Tech Stacks
• 01:26:00 2030 Vision: Billion-Dollar Companies Owned by Millions of Token Holders
• 01:28:00 Final Advice for the Next Generation: Stop Coding, Study Social Sciences

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🔔 Keywords:
#AI, #ArtificialIntelligence, #AIAgent, #AgenticEconomy, #YatSiu, #AnimocaBrands, #Web3, #Blockchain, #DigitalPropertyRights, #DataOwnership, #BigTech, #Monopoly, #Capitalism, #TechTrends2026, #Crypto, #DigitalWealth, #AIRevolution, #Interview, #TechInnovation, #TheHiddenSwitch

What if the secret to solving overwhelm and making powerful business connections wasn’t a new social app, but an AI that helps you connect in the real world?

Anthony Sar, the events expert behind Asia’s largest fintech event, Hong Kong Fintech Week, reveals how he pivoted his entire business to solve the single biggest problem with conferences: networking is broken.

In this conversation, Anthony shares the incredible story of building "Samantha," a fully autonomous AI agent that acts as a personal networker for thousands of attendees. We dive deep into why traditional event apps fail, how he scaled an event from 300 to 45,000 people, and why he believes AI’s greatest purpose isn’t to replace humans, but to forge more meaningful human connections and combat the modern crisis of loneliness.

This is a must-watch for any entrepreneur, event organizer, or anyone fascinated by the real-world application of AI to solve fundamental human problems. Is this the end of awkward networking forever?

Connect with Anthony Sar & Finoverse:
Website: https://www.finoverse.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anthonysar/

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🎙️ In this episode:
00:00 - The Future of AI is Human Connection, Not Replacement
01:02 - The Story of Hong Kong Fintech Week: From 300 to 45,000 Attendees
04:08 - The #1 Problem With Every Conference & Business Event
06:24 - The "Aha" Moment: Can AI Solve Awkward Networking?
06:42 - Meet Samantha: The World's First AI-Powered Networking Agent
08:55 - The Grand Vision: Building An Infrastructure for Offline Human Relationships
13:56 - How Samantha Onboards New Users With a Human-Like Voice Call
15:06 - The Secret Sauce: Inside The "Win-Win" Matchmaking Algorithm
16:44 - The Terrifying Moment We Deployed A New AI To Thousands of People
17:15 - The Results: 1,000+ Meaningful Connections Made By An AI
23:46 - Why Your Voice is The Future of All Software
32:15 - Why We Pivoted Our Entire Business To Become AI-Native
38:19 - Silicon Valley vs. China: Who is Winning The AI Race?
47:34 - The "Festivalization" of Events & The Future of The Industry
51:17 - AI’s Real Mission: To Solve The Modern Loneliness Epidemic
58:00 - In A World of AI Agents, Human Trust Becomes The Ultimate Currency
58:41 - When Will This AI Future Arrive?

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Hey, I’m Ashley Dudarenok, a Chinese entrepreneur, investor and 10-time bestselling author, recognised as a “guru on fast-evolving trends in China” by Thinkers50.

👋 For over 15 years, I've been on the ground here in Asia, tracking the rise of the next global giants. Now, I'm sitting down with the visionary minds building them.

🎙This isn't just another business podcast. This is a backstage pass to the future. We're going beyond the headlines for candid, founder-to-founder conversations. You'll get unfiltered stories from the trenches of the world's toughest markets. Raw leadership lessons. And a firsthand look at the future being built in Shanghai, Bengaluru, and Jakarta.

🚀 If you're ready to see what others don't, future-proof your business and broaden your perspective, join me.

Subscribe now, and let's flip the switch together.

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